Saturday 24 November 2018

Kensington Palace Confirms the Sussexes Will Move to Frogmore Cottage Next Year

Following months of speculation, Kensington Palace has confirmed the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will move to Frogmore Cottage on the Windsor estate early next year ahead of the arrival of their baby. The Palace added: "Windsor is a very special place for Their Royal Highnesses and they are grateful that their official residence will be on the estate. The Duke and Duchess’s office will continue to be based at Kensington Palace."

Royal reporter Emily Andrews exclusively broke the story last night. Emily revealed: 

'The 20-room Apartment 1 at Kensington Palace, next door to William & Kate’s apartment at 1a, will become available next year as the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester are moving to a smaller part of KP. But Harry & Meghan have chosen not to move there.
Instead the Queen has given them Frogmore Cottage in Windsor. It’s within the private Home Park and faces the beautiful grounds of Frogmore House. It’s where they had their private evening wedding party & where their gorgeous engagement pictures were shot. It needs major building work to turn it back into a luxury family home, boasting 10 bedrooms & a new nursery plus space for a gym & yoga studio. Currently it’s been chopped up into 5 units where palace staff have been living. Harry, Meghan & baby Sussex hope to move in next year.
Harry & Meghan will keep their Cotswold pad as their “country home” while Frogmore Cottage will be their main official home.'

The Grade II-listed, two-storey Frogmore Cottage is located in the north of the Frogmore, half a mile from Windsor Castle. It's currently split into five apartments for staff, and a huge amount of renovation work will be required in the coming weeks to make it an official residence.


Omid Scobie reports: "It's been home to  Queen Victoria’s Indian attendant Abdul Karim until 1901, King George V’s cousin Grand Duchess Xenia of Russia until 1936 and Queen Mary from 1937."


The cottage faces the beautiful grounds of Frogmore House where Harry and Meghan's engagement portraits were shot.


Windsor holds a very special place in their hearts. It's understood they enjoyed quality time in Windsor during the early days of their relationship. It came as no surprise when they chose Frogmore House as the location of their wedding reception.


The story follows a Roya Nikkhah exclusive in The Times reporting the Cambridges and Sussexes were planning a formal division of their offices:

'Princes William, 36, and Harry, 34, are considering a formal division of their joint royal household, which is based at Kensington Palace, and the creation of separate courts to reflect their increasingly different responsibilities.
A source close to William and Harry said: “The brothers have leant on each other and looked after each other since their mother died. But now they have their own families, they no longer rely on each other as before.”
While Harry and Meghan’s status as roving royal ambassadors has been assured by their successful tour of Australia, Fiji and Tonga, William must prepare to become the next Prince of Wales. Another source who knows the brothers well said: “There is a gulf in the style and approach to the type of work that William and Kate will increasingly do as future head of state and consort, and Harry and Meghan, who have more of a blank canvas with their roles.”
The source close to the brothers said: “They have become different people with different outlooks on life. Splitting the household is the obvious thing to do.” Kensington Palace declined to comment.'

Whilst we have seen an endless abundance of 'filler' royal stories doing the rounds with little interest in accuracy in recent months, the news would seem to confirm pieces from several royal reporters. There's been a great deal written about the relationship between William and Harry. A much greater deal about the relationship between Kate and Meghan. Much amounts to fictitious gossip at best and irresponsible use of opinion as fact. Emily Andrews writes: "A royal source said: 'The initial plan was for Harry and Meghan to move out of their cottage in the grounds of Kensington Palace and into one of the main apartments. But there has been a bit of tension between the brothers.'" Trusted reporters have long said it was Harry's intention to move into a larger apartment at KP when he married (however, KP have vigorously denied plans to move into a larger Palace apartment in recent months). What I will say is the Sussexes and Cambridges are very different people, with very different approaches to their roles and very different paths ahead. William and Harry have always had an enduring bond and it is my hope that will always be the case. Clearly, given their different visions and futures, it's not working for all four of them together at KP. I say clearly because the Gloucesters are vacating their stately Apartment 1, next door to William and Kate, meaning an ideal KP option was there. As many of us can attest family and in-law dynamics are challenging at the best of times. When you throw in working relationships, tensions can certainly arise. I do expect we'll hear of a formal division of their offices, with Harry and Meghan's being based elsewhere over the next year or so.


There's a number of other layers and factors to consider that haven't received sufficient consideration in my opinion. Given Charles' plans for a streamlined monarchy, it's entirely possible Harry and Meghan's children will not have royal titles and will forge their own career paths. Windsor offers a much more relaxed upbringing for them. Both Harry and Meghan adore the countryside and the Windsor estate is a beautiful place to bring up a family.


Of course, Windsor Castle is the Queen's "weekend home" and they will have plenty of opportunities to spend time with Her Majesty and Prince Philip. The move may have been planned with an eye for the future. Indeed it's long been reported by outlets including The Times that Charles hopes to turn Buckingham Palace into a more business-focused palace rather than the home of the monarch when he is king. In 2011, Andrew Marr revealed senior royal sources told him Charles would potentially base himself at Windsor Castle and not Buckingham Palace as king. The news could very well be a part of the bigger picture. Meghan is incredibly close to Charles, and he sees her and Harry as major players in his monarchy. With Harry's well-established areas of focus and Meghan's work ethic, a dedicated team of their own makes perfect sense to me. Meghan's only been part of the Royal family for six months and we've seen a dedicated, dutiful duchess emerge.


We close with a quote shared by the Queen on Frogmore last year in a pre-recorded message for BBC Radio 4’s Gardeners’ Question Time (with a special thank you to Pepp for sharing):

"I very much hope you have enjoyed visiting Frogmore House and garden, which holds a special place in my family affections. “Indeed, I would echo the sentiments of Queen Victoria, who, 150 years ago, wrote of this dear lovely garden where all is peace and you only hear the gum of bees, the singing of the birds. These days there is more noise from the air than in 1867, but Frogmore remains a wonderfully relaxing environment."

I have no doubt the couple and Baby Sussex will be very happy at Windsor. It's the beginning of an exciting new chapter for them.

274 comments:

  1. Thanks for addressing not only the move but the reported tension. I felt Emily Andrews put the focus on the move via Twitter but then the article was more focused on this supposed tension. I don’t appreciate Emily Andrews’ style.

    In any case, I understand how their roles are different, but how do you see their outlook and visions as different? Do you mean that they are focused on different initiatives? I would like to hear more thoughts on this.

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    1. Their outlook and visions are different in that W&K are more traditional, whereas are doing things in new and different ways more often than W&K. They are more casual and just overall different. I don't want to get into this too much, as it always leads to comparisons of K&M and the inevitable question of who does it better. Let's just say that there is also a cultural implication - Kate is very British and Meghan very American. I would like to point out that I'm not saying that one is better than the other but as someone who is neither British nor American but knows people of both nationalities, it is something that I have observed. In addition to that, I believe Kate to be a very careful person and as future Queen she has to be. William has always been the more serious, guarded person between the two brothers and much of that has, I'm sure, also to do with the fact that he has had to be because he will be King. There was and remains much more leeway for Harry.

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    2. I understand what you’re saying but I guess to me it comes down to their different roles rather than their outlook/vision. I also don’t wish to see them pitted against each other. Why the media needs to make it so dramatic is obnoxious. Bottom line- W&K are future King and Queen and because of this they don’t have the freedom to be less formal.

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    3. Taryn, Agree, agree, agree. It does come down to the fact that William will be King and Catherine Queen, and everything from birth for William has been different than for Harry and everything for Catherine from marriage is very different than for Meghan.

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    4. Wrll said Taryn.
      Cause W&K will be king and consort they have to be more carefull and neutral about everything. M&H have more freedom. They can be more relaxed and closer to people. If they make mistakes it will be forgiven. Mistakes from a future king will question the entire monarchy.

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    5. Emily Andrews is a very reliable and trusted Royal Reporter. I found her words very interesting. Clearly there is a bit of tension somewhere. I adore Meghan and love her warmth and impressive work ethic. That being said, she is a strong woman and playing second fiddle to Kate was never going to happen. I am quite certain she wants some distance, physical distance, so she and Harry can create their own life and forge their own Royal futures. Much has been written about her warm relationship with Charles and Camilla. I believe it to be truly genuine, but she is also wise enough to realize that a close relationship with Charles is very much to her and Harry’s benefit. Please note that that is not said as if it is devious or fake, but rather wise and forward looking. It is a well established fact that W&C value the Middleton’s far more than the rest of the Royal Family. They can get away with it because William is heir to the throne. They will encounter backlash, though, at times, from this choice as well as their less than warm feelings toward the press.

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    6. What does there place in the Cotswolds look like?

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    7. Agree to disagree regarding Emily Andrews. Gossipy speculation doesn't add anything to the narrative since none of us ever will (or should) know the intimate details of their family dynamics.

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    8. Catherine, I don’t believe pictures of their Cotswolds house have been published. At least, I have been unable to find any. I think they are trying to keep the location very private.

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    9. Perhaps Rebecca English’s latest article sheds a clearer light, although perhaps you feel she does not know anything either and feel it to be gossipy speculation. She clearly states that although there has not been a dramatic “falling out” between the women , nor is there any real warmth. Two very different women, two very strong women, a little distance is a good idea.

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  2. Well, we finally know where they’ll be moving to. I was one of those people who would have loved to see the brothers living close by, but it wasn’t meant to be. I hope this move is just a natural desire for distance, because even though I love the idea of relatives living close by, I couldn’t live that close to my own. Lol
    Unfortunately though, this is just feeding the “tensions” and feuds rumors. None of us really know the motives behind anything. Some on social media are calling this a “banishment” of the Sussexes and then others are making this seem as a shrewd way for them to ultimately be closer to the Queen and Charles if he does decide to make Windsor the primary residence. And then there are the people who think they’ve been given Frogmore House instead of the Cottage. Who knows why this property was chosen/given, really. I’m just hoping this was seen as the best fit for them and their future roles in the Royal Family and hope everyone will be happy going forward.

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    1. It is just the natural break of the children of the monarch. It happened when Prince Charles became the Prince of Wales and had a family - he was split apart from his siblings and remains so today as a senior royal and heir to the throne.

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  3. Very nicely said, Charlotte. I would expect.no less from you! As much as I love some good gossip I think you have done a beautiful job keeping the blog on the high road.

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    1. Tammy from California24 November 2018 at 20:22

      Agreed Bluhare!!!

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    2. I fully agree with Bluhare, we can't do anything else but praise your way of putting this post together. Thank you!!

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    3. I agree completely bluhare!! I'm so glad that Charlotte has chosen not to perpetuate the endless negative gossip regarding any future plans of the Sussex's' or the Cambridge's.

      All the above being said, personally I'm glad to see the Sussex's moving to Windsor as opposed to Apt. 1 for several reasons. First, Windsor Castle and the adjacent area has played a large part in H&M's relationship and has a special place in their hearts; secondly, Windsor is only 20 miles from London which is certainly close enough for them to attend royal functions as needed; thirdly, for as much as I love my sister I couldn't live that close to her or any family member.

      ps - I'm typing this while being mindfull of my posture bluhare :) just thinking of you makes me sit up straighter! lol

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    4. I agree whole-heartedly. Charlotte, I am so grateful for your very even-handed and tactful approach to situations others exploit with the most sensational theories they can contrive.

      Harry, Kate and Meghan replied to a question about family disagreements here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiLD1Qj5NxM

      Too much togetherness in families is always a challenge. This seems like a very healthy distancing to me. I wish all of them the very best in their new, more spacious arrangements.

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    5. ThaNks everyone, and Lauri I always sit up straighter when reading your posts! 😁

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    6. Brava Chatlotte! I do not say much anymore but I do read all your posts. You are the ONLY blogger that has written this with a thought out logical basis. Many others are stirring the division and building their post around the 'tension'. Thank you for being the one with a even steady view.

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    7. Thank you for saying that, diane. I saw That Other Blog fanning the flames. I didnt go in and read it or the comments but I imagine clicks are up.

      Thank you for.not.giving in, Charlotte.

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    8. Charlotte really sets the tone for the discussion with her writing. On another blog the comments have become really nasty and uncomfortable to read. This is an adult discussion and I appreciate it so much.

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  4. I think people are interpreting way too much into it. We don't have the full picture and we will never have. I think it's only natural for Harry to go his own way after finally having a partner by his side. They're part of the main family but at the same time have the freedom to live a more relaxed life style than William and Kate who will one day be King and Queen Consort. So again, it's only natural for this split to happen.

    And I think if they settle down properly, we might see some joined events in the future again.

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    1. Yes, the split is natural. Much like when Charles and his family were split apart from his siblings as he emerged as the Prince of Wales and heir to the throne; is is what is expected!

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    2. I agree. Nobody gossips about tensions between Charles and his siblings because they don’t share an office! And as long as the Fab Four share mental health initiatives I think we’ll still see them together occasionally.

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    3. Annette New Zealand25 November 2018 at 22:09

      I agree with everyone that William and Harry have different pressures on them. Although Harry is next in line after William and his children, it is extremely unlikely that the Sussex family will ever become the monarchs.The two brothers will inevitably have diverging interests in future and I am sure that the Queen has foreseen that when she gave Harry and Meghan their new Commonwealth role. The Cambridges obviously wanted to make Amner Hall their main home, but were unable to do so because it was felt he needed to be closer to London. That doesn't apply to Harry and Meghan although Windsor is much closer to the capital anyway. (The only drawback to Windsor is that its near to the Heathrow Airport flightpath!) I wonder if William and Kate will move into Clarence House if Charles decides to live at Windsor?

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  5. It doesn’t surprise me that Harry and Meghan dont want to live at KP - Harry and William have very different lifestyles now and it’s not necessary for them to live so close to each other. Most people do not choose to live next door to their sibling or parent and I don’t see why Harry is any different.

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    1. I agree. As much as I love my sibling, it is always better to keep a bit of distance from each other's family. Avoiding future problems.

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    2. Feel the same way Anett and Melissa, plus this is a family that has to do much work together, attend meetings together and large family functions together. I would think it would be very needed to have separation in the living arrangements. I do not think there are any current issues but simply wise planning for the future.

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    3. I live half a mile from my sister and mother and they live three houses apart. I wouldnt change things,but we dont work together either.

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  6. Frogmore Cottage on the Windsor estate sounds like a beautiful place to live & raise a family. I do hope that The Sussexes will be extremely happy there. They’ve previously described how much they love the area & enjoyed private moments there, long before the public became aware of how serious their relationship was. Frogmore is in close vicinity to other family, friends & the city while still giving them more privacy & close to beautiful nature that they both love.

    Lots of family don’t live next door to each other, but are still close. I doubt anyone would say that The Cambridges are closer to the Gloucesters than all other family just because they currently live next door to each other.The Cambridges spend a lot of time at their country home Amner Hall, not just at KP, so I really don’t see all the fuss about The Sussexes not moving into the home that the Gloucesters still occupy. It’s only reporters that have speculated about that apartment & numerous other homes as being places were the Sussexes would live. Some of the same reporters who this time, last year said that Harry & Meghan would take a long time to get engaged, then to get married, then to have children. I’m glad KP released the statement, the only reliable source as far as I’m concerned.

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  7. Tammy from California24 November 2018 at 20:35

    I can certainly understand why Harry and Meghan would want to have their own space and same for Will and Kate. They will have their own families and being too close is not for everyone.

    I also think the couples' personalities are very different. Meghan and Harry don't mind the spotlight (and I think this contributes to Meghan's work ethic. If you get filled up by being around lots of people and attention (and I am not saying this snarkily, just a difference in introvert vs extrovert) then you like to work as much as possible. Kate and William are the opposite: get filled up by being to themselves. Going out to public events really is more of a "job" for them. So I could see how the couples would have different directions and visions.

    Their roles are different too. William and Kate are going to be the future King and Queen consort, so much of their work will be based in England. Harry and Meghan can go abroad more, because their role doesn't have to be so close to home. All seems logical and well suited for each couple really.

    I hope the move really is just one of many strategic changes that the RF is making for the future. It makes me sad to think of it being because of a rift. I would be lying if I didn't say that Meghan is also my worry. Fast wedding, fast pregnancy, fast moving, lots of reports that her personal secretaries have quit... I love all of them and hope that it's just gossip on the rift and strategic planning on the move. My romantic heart wants a fairytale ending for everyone.

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    1. I agree with you Tammy, you wrote exactly my own concern about the rift and about Meghan. Hope all will go well for the four of them in the end.

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    2. I don't believe there is a gift. It's more about the future and family dynamics. Probably KP will be the residence of William as a future king, however it's not entirely impossible that Harry and Meghan will move back in the future.

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    3. In the early days of the Cambridge marriage there were reports of staff quitting and of the couple being difficult, cold, and grand. Did you believe all of those? And who has quit aside from Melissa-with-no-last-name who we only heard of a few weeks ago even though there have been reports of Harry and Meghan’s other main staff: ELF, Amy, and Samantha.

      I also strongly dislike the continual linking of extroversion and introversion to work ethic. Enjoyment? Sure. But ability? Please stop. It's insulting to introverts.

      They are different couples with different jobs, different personalities, and different needs. That's it. I do not understand the expectation I keep seeing of the Sussexes sticking to the Cambridges like glue and following their footsteps in every action. And in this case, the Cambridges have only been living in KP full time for a couple of years. Was there tension when they chose not to begin their married life as Harry's neighbor or were they just living as people do? I believe it was the latter.

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    4. Their head communications director who was the liaison with the Markles quit in September.

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    5. What I do notice is that Kate seems to give William more space. That has led to occasionally bizarre optics like them taking separate ski trips but it seems to work for them. I think this allowed William and Harry to spend a lot more time together.

      Harry and Meghan seem to want constant togetherness. Their engagements, their activities ... one is rarely without the other. It's just a different dynamic and it's what works for them. But at the risk of drawing a bad comparison it reminds me of Paul McCartney saying that it's not that he disliked Yoko. Just that John's constant togetherness with Yoko changed the dynamics of the Beatles. With that being said I have no doubt that with time there will be a new normal. They are brothers and they love each other. And Kate and Megham are both mature women.

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    6. Introvert and extrovert has nothing to do with work ethic, capabilities or results. It applies to how a person recharges and processes. Some people recharge with others; some in quiet. Some people think out-loud while others are more internal. And, some people are genuinely a blend of the two -- they need equal amounts of people and quiet. Thank goodness employers value the positives of both!

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    7. Not true.... person worked at Buckingham Palace and there was a retraction by the papers. Yes person quit but not for the reasons stated hence the retraction

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    8. @Ivy Lin while we can guess some of their dynamic based simply on how they interact with each other I think it's a bit far to say that "one is rarely without the other". We only see them during official engagements (there's one maybe photo of Meghan with a dog, another of Harry coming from the gym, and that's all I can recall) and Meghan doesn't have her own patronages yet, though it seems her visits to the HCC were alone. We don't anything about how they live on their own time.

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    9. @ivy Lin exactly my thoughts!

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  8. Thank you for an unbiased look at the situation. I’m fed up with blogs who try to claim Kate and Meghan are at each other’s throats. Meghan is a lovely woman and I wish her all the best

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  9. Thank you for your opinion and shedding more light on the perceived tension between the families. This is not surprising as the two Peincws are both now matured men with growing families of their own and different destinies. This announcement was going to come someday whether P. Harry married Meghan or not. It’s onky natural. In the spirit of late P. Diana and the love and bond the two Princes share, I pray they and their families are not estranged and keep in touch regularly even though they would now live apart. I wish the two families the very best wishes for the future. @RoyalDreams

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    1. I do not think that estranged is the right word to describe the change in the relationship of the two princes, it is more of a shift. I mean, does one say that Prince Charles is estranged from his siblings? No, but as the heir to the throne, he is all about promoting his family. When Charles is the King and William is the heir it will be all about Williams family. It is hard to think about because we have seen the Windsor boys grow-up, but it is the natural course of these things that the siblings of the monarch and the heir are only minor royals and they focus is no longer on them, but the core senior royal members of the family.


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  10. A well respected writer working for the NY Times once said there is a truth in every story that can have a small about of negativity in it when reported by a reliable source. With that said, I am going to leave all these possibilities we are reading alone. We as readers have made many assumptions. The impending arrival of Baby Sussex would bring change as we all knew. We are now no longer in the dark and we can all look forward to the countdown arrival of a new member of the RF and more importantly the new title for Harry and Meghan, Daddy and Mommy!

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  11. William and Kate along with Harry had largely been isolating themselves away from the rest of the Royal family and from Charles, but if you go back to the engagement interview that Meghan and Harry already knew that Harry would be named Commonwealth Youth Ambassador. Formalizing Harry and Meghan's role in the Commonwealth was also I believe used by the Royal family as a further incentive to secure Charles as the next head of the Commonwealth last Spring. Harry's future is starting now, while William has the freedom to continue to largely do his own thing for possibly many years.

    Going forward the closet example of the role Harry and Meghan will have for the rest of their lives is that of Edward and Sophie who handle lots of diplomatic duties. Sophie like Meghan came into the Royal family with knowledge and skills built from work and life experience. We saw Meghan alone with the wife of the German President on the balcony and not accompanied by Sophie as well indicated to me that Meghan is already being trusted with that diplomatic role with only more of that on the horizon. As she should be given all the knowledge, skills, and experiences Meghan has to offer.

    I'm very happy for Harry and Meghan and the privacy that this will offer just like it has offered for the Queen's children and their families who are not in direct line to the throne.

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    1. The Cambridge children seem comfortable with their cousins which makes me believe they're not as isolated as some people like to push. No pictures doesn't mean no contact. And Meghan seems comfortable around Charles and Camilla, we've seen less of her interacting with the rest of the family so it's hard to judge with them.

      While there's probably tension like what exists in most families, made worse from being part of such a public and complicated family, I'm not sure it's as bad as people make it out to be.

      There's public appetite for this family to behave like characters from a soap opera or reality show tbh.

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    2. Thank you El. I don’t know where this elaborate internet narrative is coming from re: how this family relates to each other. They strike me as a normal family with normal family dynamics that are likely complicated a bit by public and formal roles. But I don’t think it’s any different than average family dynamics. they also seem to be happy with each other in pictures and video that we’ve seen.

      I mean I’m not sure what people want them to do. Most families don’t live on top of each other and when they see extended members they chat and have a good time (while still being mildly annoyed that a certain family member has weird hang ups or tastes or whatever). My impression of them is that they are pretty normal in fairly extraordinary roles.

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  12. Thank you Charlotte for the interesting post. What a good choice of residence for Harry and Meghan. This generation of royals has been more fortunate than The Charles generation in that it has been recognised that a life path for the non direct line royals needs to be established. It is also important that they are not seen as hangers on. Remember before you all call me out that Harry is in the same position as Andrew. It has been good to see the development of Harry’s role and the successful tour I think went a long way to cementing their role in the Commonwealth. I have long been of the opinion that for the Commonwealth to survive a non-political head was essential and the Royal Family is ideal for that. I also can’t believe that anyone thought that the boys would not evolve into separate offices. Initially it was an office for Prince Charles and his boys, then one for the boys together and now one for each boy. It is life’s progression. The move also is an indicator that Harry will be less and less involved in the business of kingship so I would not expect appearances at events such as diplomatic reception. The move will also allow more privacy. Far easier to come and go at that distance from London - not so easy for the reporters to be on the doorstep. The rumours of a rift are probably just that. Harry is emotional and was fairly dependant on his brother through a bad patch in his life. Their relationship has matured past that now. The optics of palaces is not in sync with the current times so I suspect in time there will be no royals living in either Buckingham palace or Kensinton palace and they will become administration and ceremonial buildings.

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    1. I surely hope that won't be the case, the charme of a royal family it's that they live in a palace and they are indeed princes princesses queens and kings, they are not regular people.
      to leave the palace would strip them in a way I can't put into word. Just my two cent


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    2. When the Queen wanted to stay at Clarence House after ascending the throne she was told in no uncertain terms that the monarch will stay at BP. I don’t think that picture has changed much. BP being the main residence of the monarch goes a long way in justifying spending millions on its renovations.

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    3. As long as there is a monarchy, the monarch and their direct heirs will live in a palace. But people who are not in direct line to the throne, at some point will not be getting Palace apartments anymore and the lived-in Palaces will become fewer, that is certain. It has been reported that Charles does not wish for the monarch to live at Buckingham Palace anymore once he becomes King. I believe that would be a mistake, as Buckingham Palace is iconic and inevitably linked to the monarchy.

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  13. This move makes sense, William and Kate also started their family away from London and only came back years later.

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  14. This move makes sense. Whether or not there is tension families need their space. Identical twins can be very close but they don’t live next to each other. If there is tension then some space is needed, if there isn’t but just some natural distance as Harry has his own family now then space is also needed. I really don’t think there is much more to this story than what almost all siblings go through as they forge separate paths in life.

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  15. I can’t help but feel a little sad about this.
    William , Kate and Harry were a very close and solid working unit and while I understand they wanting to chose where they live. I feel that this move is representing the division that had come between them. It was never realistic to expect that Kate and Meghan would become best friends but I had hoped that the four could have a close working relationship. Their situation is so unusual, working and living beside each other , there is nothing you can compare it to. I thought they would maintain a flat in KP and have a country house in Windsor . 20 miles may not seem far but In London terms it’s a distance, especially if their office is still in KP.
    I am not surprised that Meghan would want to forge a life and role for Harry and herself, she was never going to be a royal wife with no opinions and aspirations, she has been so successful in her own life. I am sure H and M had endless discussions and plans about their future private and public life when the committed to each other. I hope that the brothers can stay close and united in where they see the family going in the future. Sinead

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  16. I was of the understanding that Charles was trying to cut cost With the Queen giving the couple property on Windsor castle that's the most logical place to live and not taking up space in KP Remember they also have their country rental I personally think this is a great move and the Queen will be able to spend time with the new baby My concern is security Let's wish them well

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  17. "...the gum of bees?" I was envisioning toothless bees flapping their gums. HaHa! Closest I've been to a laugh all day. :)
    I think your analysis is probably the one that will stand the test of time, Charlotte. That initial story by RN was not clear whether the office would be divided as well as the "courts" or households. "Household" generally refers to staff, not domicile. It wasn't clear to me that H&M would be changing their residence or their offices or both. I think there is a possibility that there was such confusion because all those involved were not in agreement for a time and were giving out conflicting and/or confusing details.
    I originally read that KP announcement as verifying both couples would continue in the KP office. It actually referred to the Sussexes. Nothing was said about the Cambridges staying at KP offices. It does seem it would make more sense and be more convenient for William to maintain his office there. I am not sure how often the Dukes work at the KP office themselves now. It may be mostly staff who work there. Since KP PR seems to go through CH and that means Charles, I think there is a real possibility that William will leave the KP office, not Harry. I am getting the sense that Father-son relations are somewhat strained at this time.

    If Princess Michael was the original leak for the moving Gloucester story--which included some hints that Harry/Charles was forcing them out--I would have looked for another source. I think the renovation of Apt1 stories were a bit premature as I believe the Gloucesters still are living there. It is another example of a rumor's being repeated so often it becomes accepted as fact.. It will be interesting to see if the New Year does see them moving out.


    By the way--does KP usually come out with major announcements on a Saturday? It seems unusual to me. I wondered if the information had been put out to reporters for later release on Monday, for example. Did the publishing of that exclusive force KP to announce earlier than was planned?

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    1. Princess Michael's behavior has certainly been questionable at times but she has never been known to leak information on the BRF. So I doubt the leak was her.

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  18. I think that while Harry may have planned to move next to Will and Kate, when he actually found his wife and actually became married, things changed. He is no longer emotionally dependent on W&K, and it's not like you can't pull out your phone and say hello at any of the day or night. I loved images of them racing back and forth between apartments but that is what teenagers would do, not people edging toward 40. And who is the lucky pair here? Meghan gets a renovated Frogmore. She can have tea with the Queen and discuss dogs---she can even get more dogs. She and Harry have amazing friends and they can entertain. I don't think they'll mind missing out on some receptions. William has the support of Kate's family. To have H&M and the Queen and PP and then possibly C&C together,hopefully with Doria, sounds like a dream come true. I actually feel for W&K and think H&M are the very lucky ones.

    I only wish we could see Frogmore after it's renovated and decorated!!

    And talk about MM being an influencer---I watch reruns of "The Closer." The lead character, Brenda, has really nice, expensive clothes. Lots of bright colors and bows and fluffs. The other day she wore a deep navy suit with very clean lines and a double collar and I thought what a gorgeous outfit that was! Then I realized it is MM-approved.

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    1. Allison, I think The Closer ended production several years ago, but it underscores the fact that Meghan dresses like any other American professional woman might. She needed to figure out hats though.

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    2. Greybird K, sorry, I was unclear. MM didn't influence The Closer, but she influenced ME to think that the "plain" navy suit was striking when I usually love prints and lots of color. :)

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    3. Kyra Sedgewick is the best. Funny, sexy, intelligent. Half of a Hollywood power couple, although she would probably laugh at that description.

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  19. I meant to add that H&M could have the apt at KP and Frogmore, but that would seem rather piggy. The direct heir gets more, so it's fine for W&K to have their apt and their country home.

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    1. It wouldn't surprise me at all if H&M end up with two homes. They have two now (Nott Cott and the house in the Cotswold area) Now that they have been given the use of Frogmore Cottage though, it would surprise me if they got the huge apt at KP in the future.

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      I understand they've only taken a short term lease on the house in the Cotswolds and it would be much less private and have more security difficulties than Frogmore Cottage. Since his service in Afghanistan Prince Harry has had a heightened security risk, so no doubt they have to take that into consideration.

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  20. Great post Charlotte. I think the fact that the KP apartment will be vacated next year and the Sussexes are choosing NOT to move in says it all. It’s also become very obvious that their approach to life is different. Harry married someone like Meghan and William married someone like Kate...their approaches to duties is different and probably their approach to family will be too. I think it is the best thing that they do divide their work life. Without that tension they can continue to foster their personal relationships.

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    1. Vicki I just never understood why people assumed Harry and Meghan would live at KP after marriage? Why would they? William and Kate have a very very different role and staus in the BRF and undertake different events for the family. No reason work wise to live next door to your co-worker and from a family dynamics standpoint I would think some space would be healthy, after all they all seem to spend tons of work time, big family gathering time etc with each other and the extended family. I frankly always assumed they would not live at KP, that just seemed a bit too much to me.

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    2. I’m not sure, but potentially because KP is really the only residence in London? There’s Clarence House but I don’t think they want to be that close to Charles. And I’m not sure how much space there is there. I agree it all seems a bit much, but it’s just the way things are I suppose...KP is a really large place so it’s not like they’d be stepping on each other’s toes.

      Related to that, it’s very interesting they won’t be situated in London. I know it’s not far, but they’ll still have to travel to London quite a bit for engagements...

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    3. There's St. James's Palace too.

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    4. The space Eugenie had at St. James Palace is apparently available.

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  21. Thank you, Charlotte. I was waiting to read your “take” on the move. I do understand. I believe the brothers will continue to support each other. I know they love each other. The family pictures showed no signs of family discord. Prince Harry is Commonwealth Youth Ambassador and Prince William will eventually be King; but while Prince Charles is King, Prince William assumes the Duchy and other responsibilities that Prince Charles now handles. So Prince William and Prince Harry’s “working roles” in the Firm are increasing becoming different. In addition, Prince Harry is now married with a baby on the way so he has to address the size and needs of a growing family and his own sense of being in charge, making decisions for his family. I enjoyed reading about the Frogmore History. Thanks again, Charlotte.

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  22. Windsor sounds like a wonderful place to raise a family. Apparently the York girls grew up there. It would seem that they will be close to the queen on weekends and the Wessexes.

    I have a few questions I'm wondering about. Has KP confirmed that Apt. 1 will be vacant next year? Will Meghan and Harry keep Nott Cottage as their London base? There's nothing to say that in the future, the Sussexes won't have a larger London space, when Charles is king, as he only has two children, as opposed to the Queen's four. Right now, all four do royal duties. Since the Cambridge kids are the only first cousins the Sussex kids will ever have, hope they have plenty of opportunities to interact. However, all the grand-kids kids seem to have a great time together.

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    1. I don't think that H&M will have a London base as Windsor is only 20 miles away.

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  23. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I find this narrative about William and Harry a bit dangerous and I think KP needs to address it immediately. While most of us agree that this is a natural progression of life, it feels as if there is something sinister behind the mention of “tension” between two brothers; brothers we’ve watched mourn their mother so publicly. I, personally, don’t like it and I just feel like if KP doesn’t address it soon, it will do more damage than anything Samantha Markle could drum up on her own. Let’s avoid the crisis management while we can!

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    1. Address it how? I think they’d be dignifying the rumors with any response. And I can’t imagine what their response would even be? William and Harry get along fine? That seems a bit extreme to me to address the relationship of two adults. I think it would put more fuel on the fire.

      Eventually there will be enough built up imagery around them, repeated appearances, events etc, where they are getting along fine, that this rumor will just fade away. I honestly think some of this is inadvertently grasping at Meghan. She’s a hot topic who sells papers and media now, so there seems to be the knee jerk grasping at any hint of a scandal, and most of them don’t even make sense tbh.

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    2. Agree. Although the move is seemingly innocent and normal, the press is running with the tensions and split story angle. Some preemptive damage control is needed asap.

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    3. I feel like KP has choose to say the least damaging think to try to stop the rumors. But I feel something is up in the household much bigger then we see. And that's all right every family has moments like this it just seems a much big affair because they are royals

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    4. The pre-emptive damage control was the lovely family pictures released last week. I am sure that a family picture was always planned but all the lovely fun “out takes”, that is how the palace deal with rumours. Long after this little storm in a tea cup is forgotten those pictures will still be used.

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    5. Well, they’ll have to be strategic about it to be honest. I don’t want to expect a well-written statement from KP, but I don’t think the pictures from Charles’s birthday will fix the situation either. Meghan is an outsider and while she seems to have a “welcome” banner from many in Britain, her narrative cannot continue to be the thing that’s bringing conflict to the table either. Sure, some of the stories are gossipy at best (not being able to wear the tiara she wants on her wedding day), but to now be the thing that driving a wedge between two brothers? That’s an awful seed to be planted (whether you’re in the royal family or not) and to let it breed without some strategic planning is a setup for The Firm, beyond the Queen. As of today, the popularity of the The Firm drives off Her Majesty, Kate, and Harry. The narrative that’s beginning to start around Meghan since the wedding cannot continue. It’s not just a matter of focusing on the now, but the future of The Firm/monarchy moving forward.

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    6. This is nothing more than the usual reshuffling that happens in every family when a new adult is added. Everybody has to adjust; every relationship undergoes a subtle or more dramatic change, depending on the personality of the new member of the family. When Meghan joined the family, of course the brothers' relationship was going to change. That's not to say it's now tense--that's only gossip probably based on speculation. As many have already said, adulthood always brings its own changes to sibling relationships. I bet that as Anon 02.04 says above, with repeated appearances at the usual group events, these rumors will fade away.

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    7. I kindly disagree. Between William and Harry, Kate was welcomed into the family with open arms. Harry considered her to be the sister he’s never had. He goes over to their place for dinner. He’s the fun uncle. (Both points printed and/or mentioned in other publications)

      While Meghan has not been there long enough for her and William to have that kind of relationship, she’s not receiving the same kind of positive attention Kate has, in terms of the dynamic between two brothers. With Meghan, we’ve gotten conflict, tension, hints of why are these things being done for Meghan but never done for Kate. The tone is never aggressive but it plants seeds of discourse that was never there before until now. Harry having to be told to calm down by his grandmother for the wedding? The tone is not right.

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    8. Mika I think sometimes the best thing with rumors is just to let them play out. In a few months there will be a bundle of joy arriving. There will be pictures of the christening, lots of cozy family pictures to counteract this narrative. People who are going to believe that Meghan "drove a wedge" between the brothers are the same types of people who are probably lapping up the "Meghan breaks protocol" stories or the "Meghan drives staff crazy" stories. There's nothing to counteract that narrative in peoples' minds because it's so based on prejudice and a predisposition to judge. But for normal folks who follow the BRF it will be the traditional holiday vacation, and then the flurry of royal engagements, and the birth of the little one, and so on. Life goes on. And Windsor Castle is (shocker!) a huge gaping 20 miles from KP. I live more than 20 miles away from my parents. Does that mean we're estranged?

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    9. But Mika you don’t know any of those things happened. It’s all just gossip meant to discredit Meghan. It doesn’t actually mean anything is happening behind closed doors. Harry knew Kate for almost a decade going into her engagement. That’s automatically a different dynamic then introducing someone on a shorter timeline.

      But nothing concrete has actually happened to show that there is a problem. Thinking back on appearances that feature the 4 of them so far they usually are near each other or chatting and seem relaxed. Harry and William were each other’s best men, they are obviously close and share many milestones (good and bad!) together.

      I just don’t think there’s been any indication that there’s actually anything going on other than the media trying to create scandals based on unfounded gossip. And I think KP should not respond to that bottom feeding behavior. As the previous anon mentioned what would they even say short of releasing private pictures of them around a dinner table. I doubt that’s going to happen.

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    10. @Mika the media will go with whatever narratives they want whether there's truth to it or not. If you are looking for Kate and Meghan to be treated the same, I believe that it's a futile hope. Meghan was and continues to be painted as some sort of Wallis Simpson/Yoko Ono hybrid and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As with most media narratives the public will believe what they want to and the best that KP can do is not show signs of tension or disagreement when they are together. The rest is noise and we as individuals are responsible for our own reactions to it.

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    11. I do t know if it should be addressed or not, but this “feud” nonsense isn’t doing any favors for either family. Social media is just an awful place to try to keep up with royals now. From racism directed toward Meghan and then people calling the Cambridges evil and wishing them and their children harm, it’s so terrible. I wish KP would address this, but I have a feeling they can’t and wouldn’t anyway. Not directly.

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  24. It's been obvious for many years that Diana's boys grew up to be very different men. Their future roles in the monarchy will be very different too. This move underscores that natural progression. I don't recall anyone suggesting Charles and his siblings live cheek by jowl; or that their spouses be close friends. This is a social media construct best ignored. Lucky Harry and Meghan, to be gifted a beautiful home in which to begin their family life. Tea with Granny, good country air. Easy access to London as their royal roles evolve. Happy news.

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    1. Greybird K, all so true, I commented earlier how odd I found it that people assumed Harry and William would live next door to each other...pure tabloid stuff going on. Yes, Meghan and Harry are very lucky to be gifted such a gorgeous property.

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    2. Thank you, Greybird K. Perfect summation of a normal situation.

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  25. Reading now that "as long as Meghan and Kate weren't going to be friends," Harry decided to move out of his brother's shadow. I don't think Kate and Meghan could do anything that would convince the world that they like each other. But they don't NEED each other---Meghan has an incredible posse. Kate has a lot of good, old friends and then her family is so close; Pippa even named their child after Prince George (the middle name "Arthur") and "William." I'm sure Kate and Meghan love each other because they love their husband's family.
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  26. I am disappointed that Charlotte is promoting this “tension” narrative. There is nothing but speculation from a few royal reporters who have been wanting a Kate vs Meghan narrative from one day one. Meghan has lived in London for barely a year. Perhaps she just doesn’t like the lifestyle at a KP. More family members to run into, more staff around, more formality, less privacy. Could it be that as this fast transition into a new country, family, marriage and work life has unfolded in a way that Windsor makes more sense? No none of that logic works for this narrative- it must be that Will and Harry suddenly cannot coexist and there has to be distance and separation. William and Harry have been on very different paths for years. William has three children, has been happily married for over 7 years and has transitioned into his third in line role more fully. Harry clearly needed to find himself, work through some anguish and is now more recently entering the family life his brother has been firmly immersed in for several years now. Being in different life phases does not equate to tension or a rift. Separate paths can meander and intersect seamlessly while still at times diverging. I have no doubt that there are times the royal spheres of work, precedence and family get messy. But there is absolutely no proof of a specific problem between Cambridge’s and Sussex’s. There were assumptions made regarding Harry and Meghan’s home they have not turned out to be true. That’s all. And i think that has much more to do with how Meghan and Harry want to live as a family and the fact they have the freedom to do that than anything related to the Cambridge’s. - Blair in NC

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    1. Anon. Prince William is second in line to the throne, not third, and Charlotte has done a smashing job presenting the fact as known, in a non-bias straightforward manner; she deserves credit, not criticism!

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    2. I cannot find where in Charlotte's post you are finding her "promoting this 'tension' narrative"--she is not promoting in any way. She introduces the report of tension by labeling it "fictitious gossip at best and irresponsible use of opinion as fact" which should make it obvious that Charlotte herself does not approve of the report.

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  27. I wanted to say Thank You to Charlotte for providing an excellent post on a subject that has inflamed the tabloid press. I'd also like to say Thank You to the readers here who are able to see through the negative stories and opinions that the press would have us believe as gospel truth. Your thoughts and opinions on this matter have greatly increased my belief that there are kind, thoughtful and caring people in this world so Thank You.

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  28. Let's remember that both Anmer and Frogmore Cottage are on royal estates- where these young families feel protected and private. Let's also remember that Andrew and Fergie's girls grew up nearby (Sunninghill, the Yorks marital home, was on the Windsor Estate) and the Wessexes live in Berkshire in a former royal home too. Schools are great here too. Their friends are nearby. Let's also remember that Will and Kate wanted to stay at Anmer longer, until their work forced a more permanent move to KP. William, as future Prince of Wales, is going to have to manage the Duchy of Cornwall (which his father has done brilliantly). Harry may take up the mantle of the Duke of Edinburgh who, as the head Warden of the Windsor Estate, made it a much more profitable piece of property. I also envision Charles, as King, turning Buckingham Palace into a public museum/ ceremonial and eventing space like the Louvre or the Hermitage with the bosom of the Royal Family based at Windsor. As the younger generation move into more royal lives, KP will fill up with possibly George, Charlotte, Louis and their families. Who knows. Maybe the Gloucesters just didn't want to move just yet- their may be a long range plan for the Sussexes there in a decade or so ( I just don't think we can count on the Queen to last that long). There is change afoot. I, for one, think this is a happy move for everyone.

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    1. I believe the Queen has said that Edward will be the next Duke of Edinburgh. I think that is why Harry is the Commonwealth youth ambassador. And maybe more as others retire.

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  29. I think this is a great way for Harry and Meghan to have some real privacy as they start their family life together. They will still have the Queen and aunts, uncles and cousins nearby, yet be plenty close to London. Any new couple wants some privacy when they have their baby and suddenly become Mom and Dad. It will much easier for Doria, and friends to spend time with them there. I remember the criticism when Kate and William were given Kensington Apt. 1A as their primary recidence, but they continued to live at Anmer Hall for several years. May this time be the same special gift too Harry and Megan, to learn how to parent without the eyes of the world on you.I would not be surprised to see them take over Apt. 2 in several years, when their family is more settled and possibly Charles has more control of the monarchy and needs then nearby.

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    1. Mary in NE: this is what I think too, exactly. Thank you for expressing it.

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  30. I wish there were a more appealing picture of Frogmore cottage. The only ones I’ve seen online don’t make it look like a very pretty building. Perhaps there’s a better angle that the public can’t see?

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    1. I think it needs quite a bit of work, but I bet it looks lovely when it's done. If.meghan stays true to her aesthetic it will be clean and simple.

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    2. It does look like it needs work, but I have not seen any recent pictures, maybe lots of work has has already been done over the last 5-10 years. I am guessing Meghan and Harry knew, maybe as early as at the time of their engagement that they would be given the house and started their renovations 6 months ago?

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    3. One would hope, ali.
      Meghan has exquisite taste. I am sure it will be beautiful if she is allowed input.
      I am still confused about the Cotswold residence. If there is one, it would be the country get-away. Frogmore Cottage was described as the couple's official residence, as KP is for W&C.

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    4. I have seen the cottage as recently as September, and there was no sign of any construction/renovation taking place; it looks as run-down and derelict as it ever has.

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    5. Hello,

      For those asking Frogmore Cottage will be their official residence.

      They are renting a property in the Cotswolds which will remain their country home for time being.

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  31. The timing of all this is a bit confusing, in that the reports state that Frogmore Cottage *will be* renovated. One would expect that residents have moved and reconstruction is already proceeding, since the building is said to need considerable work. Does this indicate that the decision about Harry and Meghan's residence has been delayed and is quite recent? Or does it simply mean that an announcement was late in the process? I can't help wondering whether there has been a recent change in plans. In any case, Frogmore seems parallel to Anmer in giving the Sussexes a country place for their family. Perhaps they will eventually receive an in-town apartment as well.

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  32. I think. They are preparing for their new roles for duke snd duchess cambridge. The will be king and queen consort in thr future so i think they are steeping a new royal roles as prince and prince and princess of wales and as for prince charles would be a king and prince harry is a head of commonwealth youth ambassador i think they are think stepping up on the firm and i think its normal for a family to do separate household. Example when Me marrying you have to live your own and comfort family Home and start a new family Its normal my sister and i lived. Separate lives And its normal we see each other christmas and new years

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  33. I'd love to live at Windsor too! Seems like a great choice. They are only 20 miles away from Kensington and get country living & more privacy. Sounds perfect for raising a family .

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    1. Isabella, not quite country living as it is located directly under the Heathrow airport flight pattern. The noise, jet wind and air pressure is something fierc, even when just visiting on foot tours of the castle; I could not imagine trying to get a newborn to sleep under those circumstances!

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    2. Don't exacerate! If been there myself and yes you see plains overhead but the noise isn't there

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    3. I'm sure the building renovations will include noise-reducing insulation throughout the cottage. There are amazing new materials available these days.

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    4. The noise is quite something! I was there yesterday and it’s astonishingly frequent. Windsor is right in the landing path to Heathrow.

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    5. Tinneke, I do not know when you last visited Windsor, but as someone who spend a significant amount of time there, the noise is fierce!!! It is nice that there is noise reducing insulation that can be installed in homes, but it is certainly no place for any sort of outdoor peaceful activities in the garden; relaxing “country living” it is not!






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    6. Oh my Anon 04:16 so was there tons of noise during the wedding and reception for both Meghan and Eugenie? That is too bad.

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  34. Ah-ha, so this explains the match-matcha plum outfits & ponytails the other day - a sign of solidarity before the boom was lowered!

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    1. I still can't believe that was a coordinated effort. It must have been a coincidence. They are almost forty year old women. Why would they behave like high school or university girls? Besides, Kate does not like the focus to be on her clothes. Why would she shift the focus away from an important engagement onto what she is wearing just to show solidarity? Both women take their work too seriously to play silly games when out working.

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    2. Anon 18:23 agree just a coincidence.

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    3. Too many variables for coincidence. Apparently it was planned. Someone below said a Vanity Fair article hints it was not coincidence. It needn't be a "Let's dress up and pretend we're twins" girlie moment. I thought the point could be they were dressed so similarly that criticizing one's outfit would extend to the other, thereby making comparisons pointless. As a matter of fact, the comments here with the two engagements that day were refreshingly positive without negative comparisons.
      Kate often makes these unannounced visits earlier in the day. Instead, Catherine's and Meghan's engagements were coordinated so that publicity (and security arrangements?) for one would not blur that of the other. They each had their moment. Great planning.
      I predict a Foursome charity engagement before Christmas. Damage control from irresponsible journalism.

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  35. Oh, you know how it is with couples. Take Harry and Meghan's tour. It could come off reflecting poorly on Kate, who has been critiziced for lack of work ethics, that Meghan undertakes such a demanding series of engagements while pregnant and new to the job. And I am sure - she's only human! - that Meghan is happy with how well she did and that Harry is proud of her. Meanwhile William will side with his wife and that means a less enthusiastic response to Meghan's success, maybe looking at it from the angle where Kate has born three children despite it taking an extraordinary toll on her and enduring criticism to slowly build a secure foundation where her family wasn't going to suffer from the demands of the job.

    You simply cannot endear yourself to someone by eclipsing their spouse. People don't react with admiration in those situation, they react by protecting those near to them, adjusting their world-views accordingly.


    That being said, I think that as Harry and Meghan settle into their roles - and parenthood will one of the more demanding of those roles, as they will find out - they couple will find more and more things they have in common. The differences will never be as marked as they are right now, and that's why I believe there is some tension at the moment. That tension won't always be there, though, I don't think.

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    1. What you say could make sense, but Harry was always more involved in certain projects than W/K. That's just a fact. Harry's involvement in the Invictus Games was always a good-will building move. William for several years worked as a pilot and there was a lot of controversy over how much work he was actually doing.

      If I were to GUESS a narrative (realizing I don;t kbow these people) it's that for all the years Harry was bachelor it really allowed Harry and William to spend lots of time together in a way two people in the BRF rarely do. Even after Kate, the young children, etc. William and Harry were close in a way that two adult brothers rarely are. (And I'm not saying brothers around the world don't love each other. Just that to spend so much time together is unusual. Most people have jobs, families, etc. that keep them occupied.)

      William might have felt Harry's distance once Harry's focus shifted to Meghan, acclimating her to the royal family, and then starting a family with her. It all happened so quickly. Engagement, marriage, pregnancy all within less than a year. Maybe it wasn't enough time for William to absorb this "new normal." So he might have said something impolitic, as people tend to do when they feel a new distance from someone they had been so joined at the hip with their entire lives. Someone got offended. Feelings were hurt. So an executive decision might have been made that it was better to live apart for awhile.

      But as I said, families around the world go through this issue every day. My mom came from a family of 8 siblings. All very close. Then they had families of their own and lived all over the world apart from each other. They didn't necessarily like the in-laws. They grew distant although they always loved each other. As their kids grew up they started to spend more time together. Today I can't even imagine a group of siblings closer. The difference was my mom was able to do this all out of the public eye.

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    2. Am I the only person that doesn’t see Meghan as eclipsing anyone? I’m not trying to jump on you, so please don’t take it that way, but stuff like this is what pits the two women against each other.

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    3. I think that the only reason Meghan might be eclipsing Kate at this stage early in her marriage is that she is getting more attention to begin with, being American and being already a somewhat famous person. I can tell you that here in the US, there was, by comparison, very little atttention given to Kate when she first married William. Now I see so much more news related to Harry and Meghan than I ever did for William and Kate. Meghan Markle is simply everywhere in the US media. Even this morning while I had my TV on pause, during, which the cable company shows news headlines, weather reports and traffic, there was the headline “Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will move to the suburbs.” News regarding William and Kate’s moves, to their apartment in KP, to Anmer, would never had garnered enough attention to warrant a breaking news “headline.” None of this takes away from Kate, what she has done in the past and what she is continuing to do. I think that William is astute enough to understand this and wouldn’t put any “blame” on Harry or Meghan or feel he has to defend his wife against anything. If there’s any truth to the rumor that he and Harry aren’t getting along, I doubt it has to do that that. I doubt the rumor anyway. Two close brothers simply forging their own paths in life with their own families at their side, is all it is. After all, who wants to Iive next door to your sibling, no matter how close you might be?

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    4. I would disagree with your comments Pam from Boston about Meghan eclipsing Kate or that Kate wasn't given much news attention when she first married William. It is true that Meghan does seem to get additional press because of her being an American and a former actress, but there are human interest stories about the royals ALL the time. The saturation about Meghan is a little overboard of late and if you read the comments there would appear to be many who would agree. There are obvious fans on either side of the couples and would agree that none of the news reports will change that, or affect William and Harry in a negative manner. In fact, given their relationship with the press this would not put the media in any more favorable light with them. I would also agree with you that there is probably not much truth to the rumor and that both brothers are close and have respect for each other and the paths that they need and know to take. It's not like William and Harry don't know the royal ropes and aren't aware of their different roles. There is plenty of the pie to share between the two. Both are married to two beautiful women who are each in their own right assets to their respective husbands and to the royal family. Only time will tell what is true and what isn't, lets hope it doesn't detract from the good work they can achieve by lending their support to the many charities who are in need.

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    5. Anon 15:57, I actually don't see Meghan eclipsing Kate or vice-versa...I just said that she "might" be seen that way because, and on this you are agreeing with me...Meghan is getting "additional" press, etc. There are stories about the Royals all the time, true...but that has increased so much in the past 7 1/2 years since William and Kate married. So to go back to 2011, in the American press, there wasn't as much attention given to it as to Meghan and Harry's engagement and marriage. Also, I didn't say Kate wasn't given much news attention when she married William -she did of course, ..only that, at least here in the U.S., it was much less in comparison to the attention Meghan is getting.

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  36. I am surprised all the same. Despite all the good and benevolent reasons that everybody give and emphasis on, I wonder how it could be possilbe that 2 brothers so close cannot get along any longer in a so large royal compound. It was ok with all the previous inhabitants. Why not now ? Using words like "gulf" or saying "They have become different people with different outlooks on life [...]"sounds strange to my ear. How (or in what) could a distance between 2 residences help ?
    In my opinion everybody is trying to smooth the matters but the words are ill chosen and I think this sends out the wrong message(at least for me). I am very sad indeed.
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    1. Well, maybe they want some privacy and KP is just too crowded and the garden is not that big over there. I'm sure they chose what is best for them at the moment.

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    2. Anon 10:42, I agree. The words are very ill chosen and perhaps meant to create drama. I think the reasonable answer to all this is that this was a plan in the works if Meghan became pregnant, which happened sooner and the plan has been accelerated. Why wouldn't it make sense that Harry and Meghan be allowed the countryside alone time that William and Kate had in the beginning with their children? William and Harry's roles have always been delineated by the hierarchy of the monarchy, so for that to now be an issue between the two of them is questionable. Perhaps the tension, if there is any, could be between staffs and it is being attributed to the brothers or their wives. I would doubt that the royals would tell Rebecca English that there is tension between them. It would be nice if the media stepped back and let these young royals do their jobs and raise their children without interjecting unnecessary dialogue. Only they know their own hearts and truths.

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    3. I'm afraid any official announcement saying Meghan got pregnant sooner than was expected would have negative consequences Anon 15:35. I really don't think an announcement by KP to try to quash the tension story is going to work. I'm also not sure KP is especially concerned as these kinds of stories usually blow over. And whenever KP has tried to fix a negative perception by giving a public explanation, it's made it much worse. (Ex: Kate and St. Pat's Day a few years ago, Will and civil air regulations when he was working for EAAA) If there is concern, public appearances (W&H together, K&M together) would probably work better.

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  37. I’m sure that the Royal Family experiences the same family drama and sibling rivalry we all do. I don’t think that the decision to move to Windsor was a recent decision based solely on family tension. The behind the scenes decisions made by KP are done months in advance, we saw this in action when Harry and Meghan discussed their Commonwealth roles during their engagement interview, well before official announcements were made. I’m sure living arrangements were discussed months and months ago. Anyone who has ever had to do home renovations could tell you that a home like Frogmore would take more than four to five months to renovate. If H&M plan to move in to their new home before the baby’s birth, renovations and plans had to have started shortly after the wedding. I’m sure this move was long planned.

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    1. Agree Agree Agree!

      You-'re not living up to your name, fictionmama. Your comment has the ring of truth. One of the most concise, reasonable remarks I have read on this subject.

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    2. I think it was long planned as well ; when royal organization, procedures, protocol are at stake, there is no place for romantic views or thinking. It is pity that some have involved the Cambridges implying that they have played a part (not a nice one) in this choice of leaving KP.
      I remember that before they were married, they have said how much they would love to live on Frogmore's ground. Maybe it was after the release of their engagement portraits.
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    3. Annette New Zealand25 November 2018 at 23:03

      If you look at the overhead photos of Kensington Palace you can see that Apartment 1A is rather awkwardly situated right next to the Cambridge Apartment. It also appears to have a quite small garden compared to the next door complex. Maybe they simply wanted more space around them than that apartment would have given them. Also remember that William and Kate lived on Anglesey for several years, miles away from all the rest of the Royal family. And when Harry was in the army he wouldn't have had such close contact with William all the time anyway. It was only after Harry retired from the army that he became more closely involved with William and Kate and moved into Nottingham Cottage. He has said himself that he went through a difficult period and I am sure that now he has a new beginning with Meghan and their baby things will have improved and he will want to be more independent. All these are positive developments. I agree completely with Charlotte that there are good reasons for everything that is happening. They won't do as many things together as Harry and Meghan will have a new role with the Commonwealth. We'll still see them all together on official occasions.

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  38. Has anyone given any thought as to who will run Windsor, Great Park now that Prince Philip has retired? It would not surprise me if this became Prince Harry's job now and therefore the move to Windsor would make so much sense.

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    1. Prince Edward has already taken over the job.

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    2. Well, that is wonderful,a good thing for Edward, he has been in need of a job that would lend him some identity and authority for quite a while. I am glad to see that Charles will have some use for him during his reign. Edward and his family have more than proven themselves with service to the Queen. They deserve a place, with pride, during the time in which Charles will be in charge.

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    3. Windsor Great Park is now run Prince philip’s son Prince Edward, who will be given the title of the Duke of Edinburgh once it becomes available again.

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  39. Reading through everybody’s comments I get the idea that how you view this move very much depends on a personal preference for Windsor type living or rather Kensington lifestyle.
    Me, I would chose Windsor over Kensington everyday so I find it very easy to see reasons why this move is a move TO Windsor.
    But I can see that people who would personally prefer Kensington over Windsor are more likely to see it as a move AWAY from Kensington Palace.

    On another note people comment on how it is not practical for them to be outside London, but the biggest workhorses in the family, Anne and Sophie both live in the vicinity and the distance/commute has never been an issue for them.

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    1. But don't they all have have London apartments? I believe Anne's is at St. James's Palace. Edward and Sophie had an apartment at Buckingham but I'm pretty sure I read they have been relocated to St. James's during the renovation.

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  40. I think this is healthy news, if that makes sense. When Harry got married, William quipped ‘now he can stop raiding my fridge’, implying Harry was there all the time. I think people assumed that the relationship of that level would continue. But I suspect, Harry was there seeking a family environment, which he did not have at the time. Now he does/will when baby comes. It’s only natural he’s not as closely tied to W/K. While I think we as followers think it would be fun for them to have adjoining apartments, I suspect that assumed closeness would fuel years of news stories if the public interactions did not live up to the imagined world readers create. Harry and William seem very close to their cousins and the kids all seem close so this ideas that the S/C have to live next door to each other to be close is false.

    I have no idea if Kate and Meghan are close. Maybe, maybe not. I mean, they’ve only known each other about 2 years and there’s been a lot in those two years. I do think however, they have been very intentional about not following the same path as Diana and Fergie, which from my American view was high school BFF giggles and carrying on at events until it suddenly wasn’t. I suspect K/M are looking long game and are keeping things low key.

    Of course, this could all be a super practical mind game. Cambridge’s have the huge London residence, with plenty of guest rooms, Sussex’s have the large ‘country’ house but basically in the city with lots of rooms for quick weekend guests and the Cambridge’s have the large country estate for long weekend/holidays. But really, I think the Sussex’s are following the paths of the York’s and Wessex’s-those not in direct line live in the closest family estate to the city, whereas the direct monarch/family live in the city houses.

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  41. Boy, I really agree with most of the comments! I had not thought about someone running the Windsor estate, but that makes total sense. I bet there actually is no tension, except what the press pretends is there.

    And I think Harry is the one who needs reassurance from Meghan. She has been quite independent and seems capable of acting on her own quite well Harry has had his breakthrough in mental health regarding his mother and has found someone who cares enough to throw herself into his lifestyle (indeed, relishes it) and who can support him rather than needing the support herself. Throw in that she's pregnant probably makes him a loving emotional mess. Meghan does not seem like the type to pit people against each other---it would be hard for her to maintain her high-profile groups of friends if she did.

    I would need some examples of this "tension" before I went with it. I remember the four joked about the togetherness that they were experiencing with their foundation, back before the wedding. The 'apartments" at KP are large enough that they could live next to each other and avoid each other completely, I think. I love the plan for H&M to move to Frogmore and be close to their grandparents.

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  42. This does not surprise me at all. I always doubted the rumors they were to move to the apartment being vacated by the Gloucesters. It is not in a very private location of the palace with the outer side facing the driveway into the palace grounds and the other side facing William and Kate's garden. (although I don't know if they would have their own private area out there, but it does seem like it would end up being a shared outdoor space). It didn't make sense to me at all that they would want to live there regardless of how well they may or may not get along with each other. It always seemed to me they would want their own space for their growing family. It's rare that even the closest of family members would want to live right smack next to each other. Also, William and Kate need their own space as well. The physical separation will allow both families to move forward into their own individual future roles.

    As for rumors that Kate and Meghan do not get along - I don't believe most of what's reported in the tabloids, of course. But I wonder if there's a seed of truth in there somewhere. I always felt that they are so very different, and doubted that they would ever be best pals.

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  43. In a world where many people are homeless, others live in one room, or a tiny house, a mud hut, a tent, all this chatter about where Harry and Meghan will live, seems a shallow. Yes, they are members of probably the most prominent royal family in the world, but their choice of home should not be cause for speculation and rumour. Harry and Meghan have never said they would live at Kensington Palace…it was just assumed. I dearly love my siblings, but I don't want to live in adjoining residences to them. Frogmore and the grounds of Windsor are a lovely choice and less than a half hour distance apart if the brothers and their families want to get together. Frogmore Cottage is hardly what most of us think of as a cottage. With its ten bedrooms it will be very grand. I do not see any of this as a rift between the brothers. The splitting of their households, which means staff, and their offices, are simply a business move, as their roles take different directions. They will still see each other at public events and family get togethers. No doubt their children will play together and they will have private weekends and evening with each other. Too many want Kate and Meghan to be BFFs, popping into each others houses for tea and play dates with the kids. This is not the reality in the majority of families, so why should it be for theirs? Best wishes to Harry and Meghan in their new home and I predict the brothers will still be very important parts of each other's lives.

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    1. Well said, Laura. Thank you.

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  44. Giving Harry and Meghan one home will prevent the fracus over the Cambridges having two. Most of the royal family, however, have London apartments, tucked away in St James’s or Buckingham Palace, even if their main homes are in the country. Others have main homes at Kensington Pakace and country estates not used as homes (the Gloucesters). My guess is that Harry will have a town apartment eventually. In fact, is he vacating Nottingham Cottage?

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  45. I haven't had time to read through the comments so I'll probably repeat what others said but I think living next-door would only add up to comparing the two families all the time and that would do no good. This move seems to me very natural and wise. They will enjoy seeing one another more if they don't meet every single day!
    Thank you for the well-written post, Charlotte.

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  46. The Next Duke of Edinburgh
    Posted on April 15, 2018 | by Dave Cross
    At some point in the next ten years, we will have a new Duke of Edinburgh. But who will it be? People seem to be confused on the matter. Let’s try to clear it up.
    The confusion seems to stem from an announcement made by Buckingham Palace on the morning of Prince Edward’s wedding to Sophie Rhys-Jones on 19 June 1999. Unlike his brothers, Edward was not given a royal Dukedom on his wedding day, but it was announced that the Queen intended for him to be made the Duke of Edinburgh “in due course”. It’s that “in due course” that confuses people. What does it mean?
    Some people think that Edward will be made Duke of Edinburgh immediately after his father dies. But that’s very unlikely to happen as it goes against everything we know about how titles are inherited. The Duke of Edinburgh is a perfectly normal peerage. It will follow the normal rules of inheritance. That is to say, when the current Duke dies, his title will be inherited by his eldest son – who is, of course, Prince Charles.
    Of course, Charles already has plenty of titles. He’s the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cornwall, the Duke of Rothesay and a few more besides. If he inherits his father’s dukedom, that title will just be added to the pile and you’ll never hear it spoken of as many of his other titles are more important.
    Sometime later, the Queen will die and Charles will become King. At that point, all of his titles merge with the crown and, effectively, cease to exist (the Dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay are special – they are automatically held by the eldest son of the monarch, so they will immediately be passed to Prince William). When that happens, the Dukedom of Edinburgh will be available to be created again (for the fourth time) and bestowed on Prince Edward. This is presumably what the Queen was hinting at in her announcement on Edward’s wedding day.
    So if Prince Philip dies before the Queen, the next Duke of Edinburgh will be Prince Charles and only after the Queen has also died can he bestow it on his youngest brother. Of course, it might not happen like that. It’s possible that the Queen could die before Prince Philip. In that case, Prince Charles becomes King and Philip retains his dukedom. Then when Philip eventually dies, Charles inherits the title, but as he’s King the title merges with the crown and is available to be created again. It doesn’t matter in what order it happens, but both the Queen and Prince Philip need to die before Prince Edward can become the Duke of Edinburgh.

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  47. Whitney in Baltimore25 November 2018 at 18:29

    It could be something as simple as someone (H&M or a staff member in the Firm) deciding that 2 royal residences looked bad for an arguably minor royal, and H&M preferring Frogmore Cottage to Apartment 1. I can imagine them being offered either but not both and just deciding to put up with the tension rumors in order to start their family in the house they like best.

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    1. I read that the cost to refurbish Frogmor was far less and the no brainer more privacy and space for children to play Permits were requested in July and ammendment in October after the announcement of the new baby

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  48. Thank you Charlotte for the professional account of news and facts. You are a very talented and remarkable young lady. Hat off to you! It’s not even any of our business to speculate based on some remote so-called ‘observations’. We all love our families, but that’s totally different than having to leave right by each other all the time. In particular if the careers and paths in life will be significantly different.

    One more note to say that your blog Charlotte (and that of the two Susans) has a truly professional standard. I hope you will somehow tond it in your heart to take this talent and make it your full time work. I believe the world needs writers like you beyond just the occasional blog. I also hope that less and less people will read and comment on the so unprofessional ones. Even when we do it just to disagree with the main content, we still contribute to those people having a ‘following’, which in turn brings sponsors. We should all just ignore them. Then the terrible gossip and worthless speculation will end - if no one reads it.

    Cheers.Liv

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    1. Thank you Liv. I started DKB around the same time as Susan started What Kate Wore and she's just been wonderful over the years. Blogging and all it entails was an alien concept to me and she's been as helpful, professional and kind as one would expect from reading her posts. I was so excited when she decided to start covering Meghan with another lovely lady also named Susan. The other blog is called What Meghan Wore, and I highly recommend both for royal watchers.

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    2. Charlotte, like I said above: hat off to you. Your response above is just another example of your ethics and professionalism. I follow you and Susan for a long time now and I cannot say enough about how much you both have enriched my understanding of not just Kate and Megan, but in general royal family.

      Keep it going please.

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  49. I just read Vanity fair article that Meghan made a conscious effort to keep the news about her pregnancy by wearing burgundy on her last outing She also will be doing more unannounced outings It also stated that new project announcements are coming before the end of the year The article sounds as if Meghan and Kate did coordinate their colors for the day so clearly no friction on their part

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  50. I just read Vanity fair article that Meghan made a conscious effort to keep the news about her pregnancy by wearing burgundy on her last outing She also will be doing more unannounced outings It also stated that new project announcements are coming before the end of the year The article sounds as if Meghan and Kate did coordinate their colors for the day so clearly no friction on their part

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    1. could you maybe provide a link pl?

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  51. I don't believe for a minute there any tensions between the brothers. I would think William has wanted to see Harry settled and happy and forging his own way within the BRF. I doubt, you go through the heartbreak they went through, and not have an unconditional love and support for each other.
    As for H&M moving to Frogmore Cottage, it seems like the perfect place for them to set up home. Not too far from London, yet far enough to be classed as their country home too.
    No doubt, W&K & H&M will see plenty of each other at family gatherings, and there will be plenty of play dates for the cousins. Christmas at Amner Hall, or summer weekends at Balmoral.
    Let's hope all the negative headlines dry up, and the press, leave them alone,to start their family in their new home.

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    1. Nicole from France25 November 2018 at 21:49

      Seen from France , I am not really’surprised ... first because W and H have reached an age where any brothers are supposed to have started a life of’ their own and not always living next door .... it is all normal !besides, to me and as far as’ I know, it seems that H and W have psychologically evolved quite differently , having been two very different characters in their childhood. Harry’s rough time was publicly known , and he recently acknowledged how he seeked for help and was happy to have done so , and he now looks sort of free and light hearted. I never read anything about W having done the same (he might have had help, of course, if he did he kept it private) . I did not really like seeing H always with W and C , following them, beeing driven in the same car, and so on , he seemed not to be someone per se ...
      Also, I am thinking of the very important place of the Middletons in W’s family .... all that to say that Harry most certainly feels now more mature and has M’s emotional support , and feels the need’ to have a real life of his own ..... not sure that living on Windsor estate, so near of the Queen who spends time there , won’t make W feel a bit « left aside » , as Charles is really fond of M and seems to go on with her as we hardly saw him doing with C .

      And ... could it be that W did not really appreciate the relaxed and joyous way of H & M during their tour down under , thinking it was not dignify enough ?

      Of course, all these thoughts come only from what I have read , so .... trying to understand, not to blame !
      I did appreciate to read all the comments , and as always, Charlotte has done a wonderful work of information , definitely this blog is the best !

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    2. If I am not mistaken the separation of the 2 households was announced before the tour I sincerely hope they all sort things out and get to a happy place I am hoping Megan retains her American citizenship and give her children citizenship also

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  52. New update stated that H&M wants Doria to have her own wing at the cottage when she comes to visit It sounds like the Obamas I sincerely hope that the Obamas are godparents to the new baby Harry and Michelle have a good relationship Wishful thinking on my part

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    1. Anon 20:56--what it sounds like to me is the same sort of rumor circulated about Carole's having an apartment of her own in KP. Which is apparently false. At one point,the woman could not even make a brief few hours visit to her grandchildren or to assist Kate with a newborn without having paps following her and flashing cameras into her face as she drove away. There were accusations of Carole interfering with or controlling W&C or Kate being dependent upon her Mother every time Carole visited KP or Kate visited her family home.

      I am sure there will be at least one bed/sitting room with en suite available for guests.
      I certainly doubt a wing set aside for Doria. This is ridiculous.
      I avoid reading the tabloids (I assume that was the origin for this bit of news) except for occasional photos and then come here and see the drivel I am avoiding repeated here. It is useful or interesting, I suppose, to know what is being said and I don't mean to scold anon. I can't avoid it by screening because most of it comes from Anonymous.
      By the way, I doubt Mrs. Robinson had her own wing as there aren't that many wings to go around at the White House. Likely a bed-sitting room arrangement.

      I do wonder if the ten bedrooms mentioned at Frogmore Cottage were after the house was divided into 5 sections for staff. I think it likely 2-3 may become suites and there may end up being fewer than ten.. And the nursery, of course.
      I am a little suspicious of the reliability of the yoga studio plan. It sounds nice and reasonable. But I still doubt it. I think it is possible that building permits may already have been applied for, which is public information, I believe. Similar as with Anmer Hall. It may be that is where the info came from to begin with. I just can't imagine "yoga studio" being specified on a permit for a royal residence. Or "Doria's Wing." Talk about waving a red flag. ;).

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    2. In her new book, Becoming, Michelle Obama says that Mrs. Robinson lived in one of the guest rooms on the third floor of the White House, adjacent to the solarium where she could watch television. She refused secret service protection, did her own laundry, and came and went as she pleased. But she rode to school every day with the Obama daughters, and took care of them when their parents were away. Michelle talks about the value of her mother’s practicality in balancing the luxurious complexity of White House life. Mrs. Robinson had to be talked into leaving Chicago, but she stayed with her daghter’s family for eight years. I don’t know where she lives now.

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  53. Like all situations where media is heavily involved, I suspect much of this is very overblown, but there is a kernel of truth in there somewhere. Two brothers with their wives and children, plus their personal staff and Palace staff all working closely and living closely together would be a potential nightmare in my view. The staff rivalry alone would make it difficult. I doubt there is any real friction between the brothers and the duchesses apart from the normal family disagreements, but it could be hideously magnified by an inadvertent leak or misinterpretation and then all hell breaks loose. Far better to have two separate, but not autonomous royal households who can breathe and enjoy each other's company when together rather than sitting in each other's pockets with little disagreements blowing up into big dramas just because they cannot get away from each other or each other's people.

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  54. One thought, I thought it was reported that they had a home in the Cotswolds, wouldn't that be their country home and Frogmore Cottage their primary residence closer to London? Maybe the Cotswolds talk was all gossip.

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    1. The home in the Cotswolds is a rental. Many people from all walks of life rent a home for vacation time. This is obviously not the same as owning two homes.

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    2. Maybe they are only renting the Cotswolds.

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    3. Oh I could care less how many homes they own or rent, I just wondered if the Cotswold story had any truth to it. I mentioned the two homes cause there was a comment about concerns if they had 2 homes somewhere in the comments, so I was saying that if they had a home in the Cotswolds then the 2 home worries was not accurate.

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    4. Whitney in Baltimore26 November 2018 at 21:50

      The Cotswolds house is a personal rental, not a royal residence gifted to them - a very different matter.

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    5. I have gotten lost in this chain:). Not sure what we are discussing?

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  55. This is a very predictable step along the timeline. For several years now, the BRF have been subtly making changes that will ease the transition to the new reign, when're it occurs. It's helpful to remember that down the road, the Fab Four won't be King. Only William will be Sovereign. Harry will continue to work in support of his sovereign, be it his father or his brother. Two completely different job portfolios. So much better to make the separation shift now, so that as the brothers and sisters in law remain close personally, they'll be accustomed to working this new way and can be help and support to one another when circumstances dramatically change.

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  56. Nottingham Cottage has two bedrooms, not big enough for a nursery, room for Doria to visit or to house a nanny, they have to move before the baby arrives. I'm a bit surprised that they are going to Windsor instead of Sandringham. All this talk about KP being too close to family, at Windsor the Queen and Prince Phillip, Andrew, and Edward and Sophie will all be close by, just not next door. I read something that Marina Ogilvy also lived at Windsor years ago, wonder if she is still there. Next we will hear that Beatrice is moving to Nottingham Cottage. I honestly don't blame the family for staying close like they do, security would be an even greater nightmare if they weren't on land owned by the Crown. I suppose that is part of the reason Zara and Mike have moved to Gatcombe Park.

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    1. If I remember right W&K were still staying at NottCott when George was born (although they were really still based in Wales) the renovations on their appartment took longer than expected, as renovations do, and they were only able to move in when George was like 6 months. That was one of the reasons why George spend his first 6 weeks at her parents house in Berkshire.
      Unless the renovations on Frogmore Cottage are already advanced I am guessing baby Sussex might also spend a couple of weeks at NottCott.

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    2. I remember that W&K stayed with Kate's parents and then moved to Anmer Hall, prince George went to nursery school over there. They only came back to KP when George started his current school. It was a slow transition and renovations at KP took some time. The apartment next door is not ready yet either,only roof and windows were done. I was always wondering how H&M will be able to move in.

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    3. There were security concerns for W &K when they moved to Anmer but that was sorted out The same will apply with H&M but that too will be dealt with I am happy for their choice These 2 young men will always take care of each other Remember Harry is the emotional one and I can remember this past summer he stated there was too much fuss over his wife Harry is worried about his wife and want to protect her and his unborn child I must commend him Peace and love to them both

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  57. It is a lot of sensible comments posted on this blog regarding this topic. Time and time again, this website is refreshingly sane and enjoyable to read the logical explanation of not only Charlotte's the community's opinion as well.

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  58. Charlotte, thank you for your well-reasoned and genuine blogging style! As I've said before, I really appreciate this space where those of us who enjoy following both duchesses (and wish the best for them as individuals, as well as family members) can come to share our opinions, even if they differ, with thought and maturity. After reading some of the purely ridiculous, speculative, and unjust comments being published on some of the other royal blogs right now, it is so refreshing to come here and read comments from other readers hoping for the best, instead of speculating on the worst!

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  59. I am pleased at this move and I am not surprised. I detect or don't believe any tension exist between the brothers or Catherine and Meghan. It is only logical that the Sussexes want their own space to have their intimacy and family dynamic to be nurtured. Harry is his own man and longed to be a family man for numerous years. He had a deep need To bond with someone to be his wife and soulmate and plan what they want for the family they wish to have togetehr. What better place than Windsor.Also let us take into consideration that Meghan is into a healthy lifestyle. Thus Harry now accepts his father's take on the eco system, environment and healthy living. A place free from intrusion, peace, tranquility and the joy and laughter of children running freely in open spaces full of foliage. Some semblance of normalcy especially for when they need to exhale after royal duties.
    It would be fun too for the Cambridge's to visit Harry and Meghan and vice versa. Therefore I am not taking all this speculation on all is not well between the Cambridge'sand Sussexes. It must be depressing at times to be the third wheel in his brother's life. Outside looking in to see the loving family that William has with Catherine.Looking at photographs at himself smiling but wondering if he would ever be able to have a family of his own. It is only natural for him to move out from the shadow of his brother and to strike out with his own family.As a child he was known as the "Spare to the heir,"that changed to be "third cog in the wheel." Now he is that no more. He is husband, father to be, soulmate and lover to a woman he adores and want to protect. The mother of his child.Now for him what makes it complete that they both are passionate on humanitarian causes.He also wanted someone who is a team player with him and he has found that person in Meghan. They enhance each other therefore it is import to establish the Sussex identity in the monarchy.

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  60. I am pleased at this move and I am not surprised. I detect or don't believe any tension exist between the brothers or Catherine and Meghan. It is only logical that the Sussexes want their own space to have their intimacy and family dynamic to be nurtured. Harry is his own man and longed to be a family man for numerous years. He had a deep need To bond with someone to be his wife and soulmate and plan what they want for the family they wish to have togetehr. What better place than Windsor.Also let us take into consideration that Meghan is into a healthy lifestyle. Thus Harry now accepts his father's take on the eco system, environment and healthy living. A place free from intrusion, peace, tranquility and the joy and laughter of children running freely in open spaces full of foliage. Some semblance of normalcy especially for when they need to exhale after royal duties.
    It would be fun too for the Cambridge's to visit Harry and Meghan and vice versa. Therefore I am not taking all this speculation on all is not well between the Cambridge'sand Sussexes. It must be depressing at times to be the third wheel in his brother's life. Outside looking in to see the loving family that William has with Catherine.Looking at photographs at himself smiling but wondering if he would ever be able to have a family of his own. It is only natural for him to move out from the shadow of his brother and to strike out with his own family.As a child he was known as the "Spare to the heir,"that changed to be "third cog in the wheel." Now he is that no more. He is husband, father to be, soulmate and lover to a woman he adores and want to protect. The mother of his child.Now for him what makes it complete that they both are passionate on humanitarian causes.He also wanted someone who is a team player with him and he has found that person in Meghan. They enhance each other therefore it is import to establish the Sussex identity in the monarchy.

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    1. Beautifully stated, Unknown. The press needs to stop speculating and leave the four of them alone to do the jobs required by their positions in the RF, and to live the lifestyle they prefer. We are seeing two happy marriages (so far), and the couples don't need any more outside pressure.

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  61. Latest articles report that first plan for renovation have been filed in July. So whatever they do is not s pur of the moment decision. And I agree with some writting that there might not be any frictions at all, just the desire to raise the new baby in a more cosy, natural and privacy ambience. The same as W+K did with Anmer Hall, where they have been able to live a "normal" country life without all eyes watching. IN KP you even cannot go to the park, go on a morning jogging tour or else. It is a confined space, despite offering luxury housing. I fully understand H+M move to Windsor - countryside plus easy access to London. Glad for them!

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    1. I totally agree. Not sure what all the hubbub is about. It seems like a much more logical & wise choice than staying at Kensington. If you watch "Victoria" you will see how much and why Queen Victoria & Prince Albert loved Windsor. It allows freedom & ability to go out of your house without being hounded by photographers. Come to think of it, I can see why the press isn't happy about this- they won't be able to see them as much. No wonder the press is making a big deal about it.

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    2. As I suspected and suggested in my 22:46 comment, anon 12:06. Some journalist likely got wind of the permit filing and created an exclusive from it. Unfortunately, the fact that the first permits were filed in July does not go with the story that recent tension amongst the four prompted the change in plans.
      My opinion? An example of irresponsible but typical tabloid journalism. I suspect a few reporters went too far into the reno of KP1 for Harry and Meghan/throwing out the Gloucesters story and had to spin the sudden change in plans story to cover for the previous false information. And then the need to explain the sudden change. Oh, yes! Tension between the Sussexes and the Cambridges. Apparently, KP1 was never the plan. The facts did not add up.
      My classes in logic, critical analysis, and semantics have served me well. So do common sense and a life time of experience.
      I don't think anyone "signs up" for being the focus of "creative journalism--" just by choosing a career that is played out in public at times. There are still rights to a private side. And anyone who uses the title "journalist" or "reporter" has the obligation to check facts BEFORE writing. The current mode seems to be to write a story and then create a scenario that backs it up. I think the situation has got out of hand not only because they have gotten away with it but also because of the intense demand for more and more stories about the favorite royals. We all know who is creating that demand. So we all play a part in this unfairness as well. It can't all be attributed to the 24 hour news cycle.
      More soap box: Whatever mistakes and injustices have been made in following William and Catherine, let's learn from them and help to ease Harry and Meghan's way whenever possible. This move to Windsor is a wise strategic decision. I hope baby Sussex gets a chance to ride around Windsor with Great Grandad in his horse and carriage.

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    3. I think the July date for council approval of initial plans for Frogmore Cottage is interesting. But it doesn't really *prove* the plan for H&M to move there was in the works before July. We don't know what is in that July plan because it isn't publicly available. It could be mostly a plan to deal with the widely-reported (& photographed) "disrepair" of the structure and nearby studio building. We also don't know how long FC has been vacant re: the royal staff housed there. It could be staff requirements naturally started to drop once Philip retired and the Queen began passing duties to Charles. Once FC was vacant, restoration work could begin, independent of any decision about H&M living there. We do know another reno plan was filed in Oct that included "internal & external modifications and landscaping." So it's possible the Oct plan, not the July one, was developed after the decision was made about H&M moving there and reflects their input as well as any necessary security updates.

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  62. Does the British press just make up things out of whole cloth? I'm apalled at this current "story" of Meghan the diva which is contradicted by years of articles, interiews, and testimonies from friends and colleagues.

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    1. Yes, I would say if Meghan was truly a difficult diva, that would have been widely broadcast as soon as she and Harry were official and someone could sell a story to a tabloid and make money.

      Depending on which boss you ask at my office, three of us are either difficult or critical thinkers. Either we point out/question bad ideas/projects OR we ask thoughtful questions that allow for better processes and procedures. Just depends on how defensive the person on the receiving end of the questions or suggestions is. So I would guess Meghan has high expectations and big ideas and questions if a ‘No, we can’t do that’ is truly a ‘No and here are the reasons why we can’t’ or a ‘No’(because it hasn’t been done before or is a lot of work). The second is not always a real reason to say no and maybe Meghan questions that.

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  63. I found the most fascinating piece of Emily Andrew's article to be the brief mention of Meghan's finances being scrutinized by the IRS. Now that would be far more alarming to the Firm than any gossip about a tiff between Wills and Harry. I wonder what's going to come of that...

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    1. I agree Saraf....don't know what jurisdiction that the IRS would have over British finances, but just the convoluted thought of it is alarming.

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    2. Meghan is still a US citizen, and legally has to file a federal tax return with the US government. Even though she resided in the UK for the past year and married a Brit., that does not quash her legal requirement of filing a tax return.





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    3. The fact that US citizens have to file tax returns when they are working, earning and staying in another country, will probably be news to other readers like me who are not from the US.
      While the US is not the only country with this requirement it is unusual in the rest of the world. Most countries expect you to pay tax in the country where you are earning the income. So when I was working in London I paid tax to the UK government and was not required to file a tax return in South Africa.
      I have no idea what Meghan’s future plans are but I can imagine this will have a big influence on her eventual decision about dual citizenship.

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  64. It's very sad to me that rumors like this even begin. If it's true that plans for renovations on Frogmore Cottage were filed as long ago as July, then it's clear this move has always been in the plans for Harry and Meghan. Why anyone would question this move -- when they currently live in a two-bedroom cottage in KP and are expecting their first baby -- is baffling to me. Not a single person questioned Will and Kate's move to Anmer Hall when they started their family, so why question the move for Harry and Meghan? Of course they need more space, and will want more privacy, with a young family. Meghan appears to be the only close family Doria has (as far as we know), so it's only natural that Harry and Meghan would want a home that allows for her to visit, not to mention their many, many friends who I'm certain they want to entertain. It's frustrating that the media insists on speculating about tension or a lack of closeness between the brothers or the two couples, and I feel truly badly for all four of them. None of them need this, but particularly Meghan, whose entire life has changed in the span of one year. She gave up the only career she has ever known so that she could be with the man she loves, moved across the ocean, adopted a new religion, and is pursuing British citizenship. All of that has required that she basically give up her persona as Meghan so that she could become the Duchess of Sussex and a part of the royal family. Clearly she was happy to do that because she loves Harry and wanted to build a life with him, but only the most cold-hearted person would fault her for needing time to adjust. I read comments on other blogs about how "Meghan was never going to take a back seat to Kate," or "She'll never be satisfied as anything other than number one," and it makes me so angry. She has done EVERYTHING in her power to ease gracefully into royal life, but some naysayers just want to find fault no matter what she does.

    It makes perfect sense for Will and Harry to divide their offices (or courts if you will) because their roles in the firm are completely different. Harry and Meghan are passionate about issues that neither Will nor Kate have the luxury of speaking out on, and if Harry and Meghan are to do the work that is important to them -- with the Queen's blessing to be sure -- then it has to be done with complete separation from Will and Kate. Meghan made one comment about the Me Too movement at her first appearance with the Royal Foundation, and you would think she committed a crime. That movement, her passion for women's rights, menstrual education, etc. are all very important issues and, just by reading her bio on the royal family website, it is clear the Queen approves. But in order to allow Meghan and Harry to pursue that work, it simply cannot be done in combination with the work of the future King and Queen consort. In those roles, Will and Kate must remain apolitical and simply cannot comment on issues that may be sensitive ones for their subjects. Harry and Meghan's work has the potential to create strong opinions, and it only makes sense to separate it from the Crown to the extent possible.

    I don't believe for a moment there is tension between the brothers or between Kate and Meghan. Both women appear by all accounts to be very kind, gracious and loving, and clearly Will and Harry have an incredible closeness fueled by their desire to continue their mother's legacy. There have been many reports about how close Meghan is to Charles and Camilla, and if she were this awful person as many seem to want to believe, I just don't think that closeness would exist.

    Hopefully this will all die down, but when you see bloggers (not Charlotte!) who have long revered Kate agreeing with -- and even fueling -- these insipid rumors, it is truly disheartening. I'm glad Charlotte has taken the high road, and it makes me happy to see so many on THIS blog doing the same.

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    1. anon 16:30--great supportive comment for Meghan. However, the..."...not a single ..." remark I'll have to disagree with. Perhaps you were not yet following the royals--there was a HUGE brouhaha over Anmer Hall-everything from complaints about the cost, evicting the current residents, the repairs and additions, the "useless" expense of the KP repairs and updates with the move to Anmer. There was actually no 3 year peaceful existence at their country retreat. William was working close by and they both made trips back and forth to London for duties. And it was not three years. They were back and forth to KP the whole time. When Prince Phillip retired, William resigned his air ambulance job,and George was set to enter school in London it made sense for them to make their official residence Kensington Palace, while keeping Anmer as a country home, as is the custom of most BRF members. Then the complaints became the expense of the "useless" repairs at Anmer.

      So, I will have to disagree with the idea that: " Not a single person questioned "Will" and Kate's move to Anmer Hall when they started a family." By the way, they started their family on Anglesey Island and then moved back to NotCot with George.
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    2. Anon at 21:56,
      Yes, I remember the big stink about Anmer. Also “two kitchen Kate” at KP apartment 1a.
      Regardless, I hope the Sussexes will be happy at Frogmore Cottage.

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    3. I was Googling pictures of Amner today and I came across the articles from when W&K moved there.
      I would suggest that anybody who did not follow the royals at that time take a moment to do that too. They were severely criticized.
      Two things that stood out to me is how very similar the criticism is. Most of articles posted in the last few days look like they just changed the names and updated the date.
      The second thing is how the brunt of the criticism was born by the wife/non-royal in both cases.

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    4. Queen of the Sun, I did not google but I vaguely remember it being a bit nasty when William and Kate set up at Amner also. And I agree often the criticism does seem to be heaped on the wife/non royal.

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  65. Harry and Meghan deserve their own life. They have had little time to enjoy each other as a private couple since their meeting. A very public engagement,wedding, long tour and now a baby on the way. Every new couple needs time to get to know each other and build their relationship. Harry has expressed his opinion on being a royal and how demanding it is. They need time and space for their little family to enjoy each other and their lives together. Best of wishes to them.

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  66. I read an article that Harry and Meghan were given the figures for the update of KP and Frogmor castle and the castle cost was lower also with more privacy and ability for children to play in open space It was also stated that permission for permit was submitted in July and ammendment in October after the announcement of the pregnancy I deduced from this that the news is pushing a narrative

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  67. Stand corrected " Frogmore Cottage "

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  68. Jumping in a bit late as I've been out of town for Thanksgiving. Standing back and looking at everything that has been said there actually is a possibility of some tension between the two families. NOT that that is an issue for moving or that it is any big deal, but the fact that Harry and Kate had a tight bond and now that Harry has Meghan, there could be disappointment over that loss. It would most likely effect the brothers in some way. I am not saying Kate or Meghan are a "problem", it's just a fact that Harry's attention is focused elsewhere now and that Kate might feel a "loss" with their relationship. It's probably something that hasn't even been voiced between the two families and I'm only mentioning it as something that does happen between families.

    Moving to Frogmore Cottage is a great move and one that I would want in the same situation. Meghan, being American is used to more open spaces. Living in an apartment is something I never enjoyed and was very happy to finally have my own house and yard. The fact that renovation plans were filed in July shows that this was an idea from months before. Since staff was living in the cottage they probably would have had to find other accommodations before plans were filed. Since Harry and Meghan's role in the BRF is vastly different than W&K there is really no reason for H&M to live in the city if they don't want to.

    I hadn't heard about the IRS but I wouldn't put it past them either. Meghan was still working in 2017 and an American citizen and therefore is subject to paying taxes even though her earnings were received while she was in Canada. She is also required to pay taxes on any earnings from the UK including gifts of clothing (such as Charles paying for her public event wardrobe). It might be wise for her to have no assets in her name until she becomes a British subject. The IRS has very long arms. Of course, in the interest of remaining friendly with our allies I'm sure there is certain information that could be overlooked.

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  69. I don't think this decision has anything to do with Will and Kate and everything to do with the reality that London is not known for its health quality...meaning its a very polluted crowded city and not anyone's first choice to raise children. Kensington Palace also lacks amenities.. I remember reading that Kate took her kids to Buck Palace to swim and Windsor to play. We know this because KP lacks PRIVACY. If you want to invite the Obamas and Clooneys to dinner, you are better off at the secure Windsor Great Park where you can entertain and house them privately at Frogmore House whilst your children are settled at your home, Frogmore Cottage. And your children and guests have all the amenities that Windsor Park has to offer especially wide open spaces for kids and dogs to explore, horses for Harry to ride and so much more. I'm sure Elizabeth and Charles will find a London apt for the Sussexes to stay the night should they need/want overnight accommodations...plenty of room at Buck Palace, St James, and Clarence House for a family if they dont want to travel the 20 minutes back home. They've made a smart choice and I'm sure the Cambridges have a accommodations at Windsor Great Park as well.

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