Following a day of talks at Sandringham between the Queen, the Prince of Wales, Prince William and Prince Harry regarding the Sussexes future, Buckingham Palace released the following statement on behalf of the Queen:
'Today my family had very constructive discussions on the future of my grandson and his family.
My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan’s desire to create a new life as a young family. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family.
Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives.
It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK.
These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days.'
It was a very different statement than we usually see from Her Majesty - addressing the nation as a grandmother rather than a Queen. This is a challenging and chaotic time, though heartening to know conversations at Sandringham went well. I expect agreements and concessions have been made on both sides to find a path forward. The monarch makes clear Harry and Meghan "remain a valued part of my family".
The royal cars have been spotted arriving at Sandringham for the #sandringhamsummit about Harry and Meghan’s future 👑 pic.twitter.com/sLP9bbYOES— HELLO! (@hellomag) January 13, 2020
We'll hear official news on plans for the future in the coming days.
My one question is, at the end of this "period of transition" when all the ends are tied up where will H&M call home. The statement reads as if their divided time is only until everything is put into proper order.
ReplyDelete*USA Granny, home is where the dogs are! So sounds like Canada. I remember Selena saying that Meghan was always calling to see how she was. I remember Meghan patting, or trying to, people on the back to give them the touch of assurance she likes. And then saying that no one asked how she was. :[ But the queen's statement was so warm! Honestly, I feel bad for "us," although there may be more to report and see than we expect. I guess I'm wondering about them being at any royal events -- if they take no funds, then would they be at Trooping, Charles' coronation, etc? I think it's a good thing and look forward to seeing Harry next week.
DeleteAgree. Or at least their time in 2 separate places will not be funded after a few years of transition. They really will be expected to support themselves to a large degree. Also their titles and participation in BRF charities, events and using the name will be discontinued or very limited.
DeleteLots of things are somewhat fluid now and likely will be for some time.
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It seems that their end goal is to renounce their titles & country, reside in Canada, and establish commercial interests in the US. Meghan never initiated a residency application in the UK, so she can not establish commercial interests there. Canada is part of the Commonwealth, so Harry can save a bit of face by moving there instead of the US. Tax breaks in Arizona, in the US, offer the best wealth protection for their LLC Sussex Royal, so by establishing it there they will be able to generate the highest income without a hefty tax. They seem to have everything well mapped out.
DeleteI don’t think they’ve stated this as their end goal anywhere? Who has even mentioned Arizona? This is extremely speculative.
DeleteI don’t think their goal is to renounce titles when the name of their foundation and website includes their title.
DeleteWhat is going to happen to all their staff in UK? Will they get sacked?
DeleteThis is a statement that doesn’t say much, but does seem to be supportive. Ever since this news broke, I have wondered what the true source of strife is here, and I always come back to family. The press is awful, but Harry has known that for years. I have to believe these two have thicker skin than just being upset about bad articles. I suspect that if they had an inclusive and supportive family, then the press stuff would roll off a lot easier. That said, whatever the problems are with the family, I don’t doubt that mistakes were made on both sides. I’m glad to see they are still talking to each other - if nothing else that is a positive side.
ReplyDeleteI'm relieved that the Queen and the senior royals reached this decision. H and M are at peace with this matter and so should the rest of us be. It has been an interesting journey.
ReplyDeleteI'm relieved that Harry and Meghan will get the independence they need. They will be somewhat protected from the British tabloid press. It must be a great relief to them. They will be free to use all their skills and creativity for the causes they champion.
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They shouldn’t be totally free if they’re still using their titles and governments’ money in my opinion.
DeleteI thought they said they would still continue to support the Queen...that doesn't sound like complete freedom to me
DeleteIf they want to be totally independent, why should the Canadian citizens have to pick up the cost of Security. Being independent doesn't mean picking and choosing what you want to pay for.
DeleteDear Charlotte, my only hope is that you will continue covering Meghan. You have been doing such a wonderfull work in doing so. Best regards, Eugenie
ReplyDeleteI echo Eugenie - I love this space, please keep it 💗
DeleteI'm still not judging or worrying about this too much; this statement from the Queen - and the emphasis on "family" and referring to H&M by names instead of titles - felt very human. I think this new way of doing things for Harry can help streamline and revise the monarchy in some positive ways, if done with thought and care. The Meghan-bashing in the media is ridiculous; I'm holding out to see what happens, but I'm glad "family" is taking front to the Firm. -op
PS: the only thing I have thought is that I hope H&M don't do a tell-all interview like some press are hinting. I don't think that would be wise right now.
Thank you both, I will be keeping this blog :)
DeleteThank you, Charlotte, I'm very happy about that!
DeleteThank you As always,Charlotte.
ReplyDeleteI applaud and support the Queen's response, and am heartened by the personal warm it conveys.
ReplyDeleteSo sad to see that in a family whose younger generations promote sharing and speaking together about difficulties, they could not do it for themselves .... maybe lack of privacy even in their private lives ....
ReplyDeletequite a difficult turn for all of them, hopefully some old fashioned thinking persons, whoever they are , courtiers or family , will realize things and minds change ....
I am not sure Harry dealt wisely with the situation , but his and Meghan’s reaction certainly show a sort of hopeless feeling of the situation . Right or wrong , I shall certainly not say .
I hope whatever happens, they will be able to heal and get back to a pacified situation and good relationship, it can be quite painfull to become an adult, and certainly W and H already had they part of sorrows and bad souvenirs.
Still , I support H and M , they are the new world , they are ready to take to a new life , I wish them good luck and beeing able to be back to the family ....in their own way !
Thank you Charlotte , all you comments and quotes from reliable sources have been precious !
Merci Charlotte de nous faire part de ce communiqué apaisant de la Reine qui a laissé son coeur de grand mère parler et non celui du monarque avec une certaine "rigidité.."!
ReplyDeleteLe monde évolue et la Reine après le décès de Diana a pris les deux garçons et surtout Harry sous son aile !
Elle connaît Harry et sait que son bonheur passe par là ..!
God save a Queen !
Anne-Sophie, those photos of little Harry clinging to his mother with his little ginger head of hair looking so sweet. He was the spare, not the important one, not the girl. But his mother made him feel loved and then she was gone. There's no way he is going to let anyone hurt his wife or his little one. He is the best husband ever. Other than his causes, I'm sure he will be overjoyed to take care of the homefront while Meghan does her magic.
DeleteJe suis contente qu'une compatriote et francophone lise aussi ce blog ! Je le consulte plusieurs fois par semaine ! Merci Charlotte. Je reste quand meme extrêmement déçue par l'attitude de Meghan qui éloigne son mari de sa famille. C'est regrettable. J'espère que le temps leur permettra de retrouver leur calme et une position plus nuancée. Bonne soirée,
DeleteHere is my 2 cents worth and I hope I don't ramble too much. There is a phrase, "death by a thousand cuts." In the case of Meghan I think it has been hurt and humiliated by a thousand slights. The vile Piers Morgan and equally vile Sarah Vine have never let up and won't ever. then there was the "comedian" that compared Archie to a monkey. Racist much? However, I think the most hurtful slights have come from servants, courtiers, and the little gray men that Fergie referred to. Tiny insults, like not carrying out orders, forgotten requests, and other dismissive passive/aggressive behavior can hurt just as much as The Daily Mail.
ReplyDeleteI don't know the solution. I really do hurt for them. they should not have had to bear this. I worry that they are making a sad mistake. One which I hope they won't regret in the future. But, I fear they might, particularly Harry.
Theresa. I agree so much. Thank you for saying it so well.
DeleteTheresa NY, well said. I have long suspected "the little gray men that Fergie referred to"
Deleteare not blameless in this saga. I can well imagine the numerous (so-called minor slights wound as deeply as the hateful press. Thank you for reminding us.
SMH
Theresa NY13 January 2020 at 20:42...to my namesake, you did not ramble, but spoke for me just now. To Charlotte and Team, thank you
DeleteShe uses very positive words like "my grandson," "valued," "entirely," "my family," "the Sussexes." Sounds like a lot of love! I'd say that while the essence of the news is true -- H&M are choosing a different lifestyle -- much of the nastiness is not. VERY happy that William and Harry reported that the report of William bullying is not true; mostly happy that they actually came out and said that. I think remaining silent is no longer a useful tactic with the crazy speed of social media. I wish patronages and royal events had been mentioned so we could be sure to see the Sussexes, but it will probably come out soon. Ah, the excitement of the Sussexes in the UK and Canada and the US! I'm afraid this might make them even busier -- hope they continue to relax a bit.
ReplyDeleteWilliam and Harry had to reject the report of bullying no matter what the truth is. Otherwise it would have been an impossible situation regarding the fact that William is a future king. With this reproach unrescinded, his image would have stayed deeply damaged.
DeleteAnother comment implying William might be a bully and the joint denial a lie?
DeleteRather the understanding that only personal witnesses can tell the truth, and that "the firm" still preserves its interests. We like to think about them just as a family, but to a certain degree they are also a business that is constantly working on its image.
Delete... and rightly so, I'd like to add!
DeleteWell personal witnesses that is Harry and William have stated that he the latter did not bully Harry. Unless you prefer to believe that he bullied him to make the statement. Whether it is a firm or not you’re still implying that the denial is to improve the heir’s image rather than to deny a lie.
DeleteDear Charlotte
ReplyDeleteThank you for all your measured, thoughtful reporting. You are a beacon of light in a crazy world.
Also, The New York Times published an editorial in support of Prince Harry and Meghan.
Buzzfeed has published side-by-side headlines how Meghan was criticized for doing the same things other royal ladies have done, but they were praised. Yes, Her Majesty has worn a 1-shoulder dress, but Meghan was vilified for wearing the same.
Thank you Charlotte!
Renee
I saw those and it was quite interesting to see it all side by side. It’s much more shocking, although I’m American so we mostly get your press second hand I think. I will say, and I don’t mean this to compare them at all, the press wasn’t all that nice to Kate for quite awhile either. However, the things said about Meghan are of much deeper and more serious issues. I know they, the Queen, whomever, are reluctant to discuss things but after some of the comments made about Meghan perhaps they should have. Perhaps the Queen should have. It’s looks like they have a promising future, wherever it takes them. And I’m glad that her love for them was at least clearly stated. That’s the most important thing.
DeleteThe Buzzfeed comparison was shocking. I don’t read the British tabloids, although I had a sense that she was being treated unfairly, but to see the side by side comparison...I don’t understand why that Rota system is still in place...
DeleteThat BuzzFeed article is pretty compelling evidence of biased, negative press to Meghan. -op
Deletethank you for the article...it's amazing how they blatantly attacked Meghan at every single turn. WHY? Racism is real people
DeleteThis is heartening news. Thank you, Charlotte. I have the utmost admiration for your handling of these reports and rumours.
ReplyDeleteAfter the following points, I will continue to rely on you for your insights into the situation and enjoy reading MAM. However, I will refrain from contributing to the comments thread for a while. I find the utterly irresponsible, speculative headlines, character assassination and public furor over this request from Harry &Meghan exhausting. I have opinion fatigue.
First, we all know--or should--that false information is routinely seeded online by sources (I suspect courtiers with a classist, sexist, racist agenda are among those). Then it is spread by bots across social media platforms where it’s shared and the seeded misinformation is eventually picked up by mainstream papers. Once in print there, it’s taken for fact though it isn't. Harry himself said that most of what you read is rubbish.
Second, these strategies are used by those who wish to destabilize institutions, political parties, democratic process, and create division within nations. I suspect that this push back against Harry and Meghan which began in the midst of the turmoil created by Brexit and the fallout in the aftermath of that choice is accidental or coincidental. There are those who would be happy to see the Monarchy fall sooner rather than later and in Meghan they have a convenient scapegoat. Very unfortunately, the consistently abysmal PR and woefully ill-timed communications strategies from all branches of the RF routinely botch things.
Third, I don’t wish to contribute to ongoing dialogue, much of which is based on the absence of verifiable evidence of what has actually happened. I also don't wish to invest emotionally in a situation over which I have no control or influence. As a supporter of Meghan from the beginning (I was a Tig subscriber) I am not without compassion for all the players in the Royal Family who are dealing with the aftermath of the leaked information regarding H&M's wish to transition to a different life. Whatever that life looks like when the dust settles and the contracts are inked. However, I can't become emotionally embroiled in their affairs just as I cannot take on the suffering of the rapidly destabilizing world.
Fourth, all choices--good or bad--come with a price. H&M are in the midst of negotiating a transition to a new life more closely aligned with their values and goals. It’s their life. In spite of a glorious romance, wedding, and brilliant achievements on tour and at home in the past 20 months, it's not--and never was--a fairy tale. In the face of the forces against them I am not surprised by their wish to change their circumstances. Especially when archaic procedures such as the Rota system force them to deal with the same papers which vilify them, and that’s but one element of what they must deal with.
And finally, I remember them in my prayers. I also remember the last stanzas of "Invictus" and though it won't be easy, I wish them eventual triumph over whatever is to come.
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.
Philly, Wow!
DeleteI agree with you and thank you for sharing your insight.
Renee
Correction. This sentence should read: Second, these strategies are used by those who wish to destabilize institutions, political parties, democratic process, and create division within nations. I suspect that this push back against Harry and Meghan which began in the midst of the turmoil created by Brexit and the fallout in the aftermath of that choice is NOT accidental or coincidental.
DeleteBeautifully and thoughtfully said. Since “Invictus” was a favorite poem of Nelson Mandela and my dear mother, I especially appreciate that reference. May God keep them safe.
DeleteWell said, Philly. Thank you.
DeleteAbove all this is such a sad situation- I feel deeply for all involved. I can't imagine playing this out in front of the world and facing the hysteria that has ensued. I also find myself thinking about Princess Diana, and how deeply upset she would be. A huge part of her legacy was the relationship between William and Harry. I'm certian that the Queen is equally upset and is trying to support her family.
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing that the Queen & the royal family can do if Harry and Meghan have chosen to abandon family, role, & country. Yes, it is a sad situation, but one that the Sussex’ have chosen for themselves; they can not be forced to stay.
Deleteabandon, vs. opting out. You never stop being family just because you have separate 'jobs' and homes
DeleteThey have not chosen to abandon any of those things and this has been made abundantly clear the past week. These are the hyperbolic comments that don’t help anything.
DeleteThe Queen releasing a more personal statement (emphasizing that Harry and Meghan are valued members of the family AND WERE valued full-time royals) was the exact tone this situation needed, I think. This is the kind of *public* support I feel has been missing. I know I've said it 1,000 times before, but if the Queen could be bothered to be seen out with Prince Andrew in the wake of the Epstein scandal, then surely some public support for Harry and Meghan wouldn't have been that far-fetched.
ReplyDeleteI'm still cautious, given everything that has happened, but today's statement did soothe my mind a bit.
The fault does not fall on the Queen Prince Andrew was seen out with the Queen because he was spending time with his mother and his family. Harry and Meghan have voluntarily distanced themselves from the family and do not choose to spend time with them. - that is a big difference!
DeleteThe Queen has been out with Meghan a number of times. I am sure if Meghan and Harry would have visited her we would have seen paparazzi photos of them with the Queen on the grounds. It was not a public outing when she was spotted with Andrew.
DeleteOn another note: not stripping Andrew of all money and titles was a mistake. She can love him as a mother all she wants but he is a massive liability for the crown. And Fergie should loose her title too. If they don’t want to punish the daughters she can give them their own titles and fund them for the engagements they do for the crown.
Same rules for everyone and sometimes making the hard decision is the right call. The Diana debacle has left her weak in that regard and she was never good she railing her rouge family members in. But neither Harry and Megan nor Fergie, Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are as frenetically adored as Diana. It’s time.
C.
I believe she was with Meghan once and that is fine in itself, but she was with Andrew soon after the bombshell of woman accusing Andrew of having sex with them while they were underage.....It has been reported that Andrew is her favorite child....
DeleteWell said, Anon 2:29.
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C. - I thought Fergie was already stripped of her title when they got divorced. and Bea and Eugenie have princess titles already because of simply being born. so I don't really get where your coming from?? Its time for what??
DeleteCan somebody in Britian enlighten me as to their opinion/experience - if they are permitted to keep their Royal titles HRH would that perceived largely positively or negatively by the British public? I'm honestly curious.
ReplyDeleteApparently there's a generational divide with younger people generally being more relaxed about this than older people. I think a lot will depend on how H & M finance themselves. If they go all out to cash in on their fame (even on behalf of a charitable foundation) then public opinion is likely to be that they should not use HRH/royal stuff. If they do proper jobs such as Governor General of Canada or being director of a charity then the public will probably accept it easier. A lot will also depend on if they get money from the duchy of Cornwall. Personally if H & M do end up not being HRH, I definitely think Andrew should have to give up his title as well. My guess is that they'll keep the titles unless or until they cause a scandal (a real one, not a half baked Daily Mail headline based on thin air).
DeleteAll polls I’ve seen -newspapers and yougov-indicate people agree with their choice to leave but don’t want the RF or government to keep giving them money and don’t want them to use their titles.
DeleteTheir titles are granted by the Queen. While there is no rule book, decision have often a long history of precedent. But changes are made constantly.
DeleteThe public would definitely prefer them to let the titles go. The amount of taxpayer funded royals is already a pretty hot topic. The high numbers of engagement have prevented steps to force the monarchy to cut some out. Charles has seen the writing on the wall. This set up has no future and he will be the one who starts changing it. Having three more that get 95% of their income while not even living in Britain can therefore not be a permanent solution. If they want financial independence they need to cut the ties. They are loaded with money anyway. I think it should be a priority for them.
So, yes the public will perceive it negatively. But they already perceive the money hand out of the BRF negatively. And many fear that the Sussexes would use the money and the titles for their own agenda and gain. Fergie is generally disliked because she tried to cash in on her connection to them. Sophie and Edward had to step down from private business ventures and Peter Philips got lots of uncomfortable questions about a desk that seemed shady because he might have used his connection to the BRF as selling point. Harry and Meghan will be hold to an almost unreachable standard of virtue. Any funding they do, any engagement /job or gift they receive must be accounted for. If there will be ever any questionable business activity they will be in the same corner as Fergie.
If I were them I would have given up all royal connections. It would be a clear sign and really give the freedom they want. They are still family, no one can take that from the BRF but themselves.
C.
Harry was born royal, and HRH. That is his title - it can't simply be removed. Meghan is HRH by virtue of her marriage, so as long as the marriage endures, so does her title. I think there's a lot of confusion stemming from way back when Diana and Fergie were 'stripped' of their HRHs - they really weren't. The marriages which gave them that title ended, and so the titles went. There might well be negativity among the populace at large, but I think that stems largely from ignorance about how titles actually work.
DeleteBeing 100% honest I don’t think the majority will care or notice. This country is facing so many problems and the royals are almost like a distraction for that. If you found a random person on the street and asked their opinion, most wouldn’t care because it doesn’t feel relevant to them. However, i don’t think most Brits would mind them keeping their titles/HRH as we don’t see how it affects the country in the real world. What we would mind very is the use of public money to fund their lifestyle if they don’t want to be “full time” royals anymore, which they have already said they won’t do. So what’s the harm in keeping the titles? If Fergie can still be a Duchess Harry and Meghan absolutely should be allowed to keep their titles as well. But the consensus here is very much they should do whatever they want to do, but we aren’t paying for it.
DeleteAnonymous14 January 2020 at 12:50...it's a heck of a distraction from Brexit
DeleteI’m American too, but titles are always a gift from the monarchy and not a right, or so it seems in my research. Whether or not they should keep them is harder to say. I don’t really have an opinion on that. They both have millions but even so, if they aren’t spending that money, and they shouldn’t be, only what it earns as its invested, they might face a lifestyle change. Or go find jobs and receive an income. I do wonder if they will sort of become some sort of Canadian royalty and how that will go over with Canadians. Our presidents receive security even when their term of office is over. They are high profile and could be taken for a number of reasons. Someone will have to pay for that.
DeleteI am pleased that a statement was released within hours. Thank you Charlotte. What an interesting few days.
ReplyDeleteIf this is too inflammatory, then just for your viewing -- I found this absolutely fascinating! I expected nothing but fake news but there really are some amazing contrasts! https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal
ReplyDeleteAllison, I just finished reading this. thanks for bringing it to the reader's attention. The hypocrisy is glaring. Many times only a month is between the admiring comments about Kate and the smears lobbed at Meghan .I don't know how some people sleep at night.
DeletePowerful exposure of the double-standard and malice.
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I read this, too. Yes, such a double-standard.
DeleteThank you for sharing. It is a great example for double standard indeed.
DeleteIt also put a smile on my face, how the spokesperson of the brothers released a statement on one of them not being a bully.
IMHO, this battle is between Harry and Will. If they had a better, stronger, healthier relationship, then we wouldn’t be reading about today’s mess. Kate and Meghan sadly get caught in their crossfire, but neither one is responsible for the arguing. Andrew and Charles had similar issues as Harry and William. Both of their wives were greatly affected by it, too. Let’s hope the dysfunction gets cleaned up so there isn’t a repeat with George, Charlotte and Louis.
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Thank you Allison, that certainly puts things in perspective! Wow.
DeleteWell done, Buzzfeed! Fascinating! Thank you for the link, Allison!
DeleteThe coverage has significant differences; however, I do wish Buzzfeed compared/contrasted the years before and after each joined the family. Catherine's early years were far from painless. Catherine's coverage has only become favorable in the past few years. The same is true of Camilla, perhaps her initial coverage was the most vile. The media continues to create unnecessary battle grounds.
DeleteIf this isn't too inflammatory, here is a link that shows the media has a history abusing new royal wives. Perhaps more focus must be placed on the media's behavior and our's as consumers. Even today, the comparison stories are attempts to create more hate! The big winner today is Buzzfeed.
Deletehttps://pagesix.com/2020/01/13/before-meghan-markle-how-royal-wives-were-ridiculed-in-the-press/
This feels a bit picking and choosing...Buzzfeed didn't publish any of the negative articles about Kate, of which I recall many. Waity Katey, Duchess Dolittle, she was called all sorts of terrible things the first few years of her marriage.
DeleteBut the point of the buzzfeed article was to compare the two women doing the same or similar things and how they were covered differently. Kate’s early press coverage is a different context then what the buzz feed article was trying to show. It wasn’t just a listing of all bad press both endured. It’s the comparison that shows how problematic and unfair the coverage of Meghan has become.
DeleteKate faced some insulting headlines too which isn't right. Waity Kate, Duchess Doolittle and the topless pictures (an unfortuate lesson that the press doesn't care about your privacy as a royal that was learned the hard way) were demeaning, though not an attack on her physical appearance, nationality or racial background.
DeleteI think using Camilla as an example is marginal at best. She had an affair with an heir to the throne and her public image was tarnished for years. Again not that it's right for the press to insult her, but her (and Charles) own actions led to those consequences.
The Buzzfeed article is stating the (glaringly) obvious. The press was out to destroy Meghan from the beginning. Whether it be in-your-face or in a more subtle sinister way.
Melinda UK
Two things came to mind immediately upon reading this - Queen Elizabeth reminding us in her speech this past Christmas, that she tries to follow the life and teachings of Jesus. She has given flesh to his words, "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall see God," in this statement. Secondly, how robustly we should sing her anthem. She is, indeed, our "gracious Queen."
ReplyDeleteI feel sad that she has felt it necessary to put aside her own preference to make way for this peace, but she has, in wisdom, chosen a way that leaves room for family relationships to mend in time. I could not admire her more.
I love this comment!! Very, very well said Judy. There is much to admire about the Queen.
DeleteThis Irish-American woman brought up on the Easter Rising, who wept when HM ordered our national anthem played after the dreadful attacks of 11 September; who applauded when she made her healing visit to Ireland, shares in your admiration. I share your sadness too, but what an heroic figure she is.
DeleteYes Judy I agree, the Queen is such a great example to all of us. It makes me think of the prodigal son which was able to return to his family. As you said the queen leaves room for them to return. My heart goes out to all of them
DeleteMy heart breaks for the Queen. I hope everything turns out for the best for everyone involved.
ReplyDeleteMine does too!
DeleteI agree with you, hope the Duke and Duchess can find peace and happiness. Can you imagine the mental fatigue of having to start over, after having high hopes of settling in Great Britain, then go back to Canada? Thank you for the wonderful blog, Charlotte. Parthenia
DeleteHer Majesty is a loving grandmother but she also always puts duty first where the working monarchy is concerned. My guess is that the decisions that must be made shortly are of the "are you in or are you out?" variety. If out, the Sussexes will have their freedom, and likely the dukedom name -- as indicated by HM calling them first "Harry and Meghan" and second "the Sussexes" -- but I wouldn't be surprised if they no longer have their HRH styles if they opt out. She's indicated a gracious willingness to have the monarchy temporarily upended by this, but she's also indicated that she won't wait forever for them to make up their minds and chart their path forward.
ReplyDeleteThose of us who recall the petty meanness of taking Diana’s HRH and the damage it did to the monarchy hope that sort of mistake isn’t repeated. As for Harry, if the appalling late Duke of Windsor and Prince Andrew were permitted to keep HRH, why would we suppose Harry would not?
DeleteI disagree with your overall negative take on this. I believe a blueprint is being drawn up for Louis and Charlotte now. It’s a good thing.
I agree. I think it is no surprise that everyone tries to heal the family bonds and maintain a healthy relationship. But the statement makes it also very clear that this is just a temporary solution. In regards to your last sentence: I don’t think that anyone is waiting for them to make a decision. My guess is, that the decision was made yesterday and now they are setting up the outlines of the role they agreed to. If they are indeed coming out of it without financial ties and titles there are still hundreds of things that have to be considered. Security is one thing, NDAs and properties another.
DeleteInteresting times we live in.
C.
I believe it wise that a blueprint for future generations be established. One significant difference everyone tends to oversea is the age and stage-of-life of those involved. Princess B & E were never working senior royals. They attended college, started careers at a young age, and support the Queen at significant events. Catherine too joined the family at a young age (endured intense media criticism even that she faked her morning sickness) and grew into a working royal in her mid-30s. Meghan joined the family in her mid-30s as an independent woman and wants to retain that freedom. She is poised to continue women's empowerment work. Thus, she is stepping down versus growing into a role. It's a fine difference; however, it's one reason that direct comparisons of situations or press coverage are impossible. The parties are at very different stages of life. Thus, a clear line between either being royal or being independent (titles, finances, voice) is necessary.
DeleteM, I know your comment is not to be published, but I just wanted to say thank you :)
ReplyDeleteI am pleased that the Queen was able to resolve this and in a manner befitting the Royal family. I am sorry for all involved. And I am disappointed that Meghan went back to Canada and didn't stand with her husband during all of this chaos. I do hope that peace will reign once again (ie: press leaves them alone) and that eventually H/M will come back to England and to have their Royal duties restored.
ReplyDeleteCharlotte, thank you for the balanced reporting you have provided, not sure what your intentions are going forward for this blog, but either way, you are really a rather rare example of decent and fair blog administrator and beyond.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the way things unfolded, I will have to say I have lost some of my appreciation for the British society overall because of the way they didn’t care at all about the people behind ‘the story’. Whether racist courtiers or just lazy people in the offices that were supposed to help Megan and Harry, the completely insane harassment by the British cheap media or even the lack of a bare minimum recognition of the value that Morgan brought personally to the Royal family and how she connected with groups of people completely ignored before - all considered, I am shaking my head and have to admit I didn’t realize the society overall is so frozen in its old mentality.
I am very pleased Megan and Harry will spend at least part of their lives here, in Canada. We’ll do our best to get them to forget about their pains and thrive in their own way in an open-minded world, where we all come from somewhere and none of us feels entitled to judge others based on made up lies and unverifiable media garbage. We would be happy if they were to call Canada home. After all, her Majesty is our head of state and we love it that way. Her grandson and his wife should always feel happy and welcomed here.
Liv
I've been thinking about the practical aspect of this, meaning that two of the major future contributors to the Royal Family's work won't be as involved. I recently looked at some graphs by Write Royalty (https://writeroyalty.com/royal-work-stats-as-the-end-of-the-year-looms/) and just looking at it, Charles' siblings and spouses do a lot of work. Before the Sussexes' announcement, I imagined Harry and Meghan's future numbers looking like those of Princess Anne and the Duke of York. With the Duke of York and the Sussexes no longer working, there's going to have to be major changes made in the next 10 years as current working members retire/cut back. I can't see as much work continuing simply because it's too much work for too few people.
ReplyDeleteAnd let's not forget that Charles's and Anne's frenetic way of working borders on serious psychological dysfunction as defined by medical texts. As if, like rats on a wheel, they are justifying to the public the lands and grants they hold and continue to receive.
DeleteWilliam, Catherine and their children can't hope to maintain that on their own after the Queen and Charles are gone. They must be dreading when in the next 25 years the sword will fall on them.
Charles, William and Harry have both been clear that no one "wants" as in desires to be King. It's a burdensome (though privileged) duty they've taken on. But it's not unlike agreeing to a prison sentence in very posh digs.
Forget William not being able to "put my arm around my brother anymore." If he had any sense of what he's losing in terms of shared burdens he'd be holding on to him like cling wrap. Harry and Meghan are popular and work hard. They get results with the public.
Are we merely seeing repeated patterns of jealousy and long-standing family dysfunction? (HM and Princess Margaret, Charles & Diana, Anne & Camilla in a triangle with Parker Bowels, Charles & Camilla, Fergie & Diana etc.). Soap operas aren't messier.
Are we merely seeing repeated patterns that no longer fly in the era of social media, 24/7 press, and instant access to information? Don't forget that at Harry's age Philip was sailing around the world on the Britannia, purportedly on an extensive royal tour until his questionable antics were leaked to the press.... Just wondering....
No wonder Harry & Meghan want off the wheel. They're likely willing to support the Queen and perhaps Prince Charles. Of course, I realize no one is blameless in a situation like this, but after whatever has gone down with William and the malice from staffers & press, why would they want to toe the line for him after he is king for the rest of their lives?
I think they are wise to take the heat now and create a life of their own. Yes, they'll have to sort out the money, but that's true for any of us whenever we wish to make changes no matter how benign.
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Yes, indeed. Letting cousins of the Queen retire without replacing them is one thing, but streamlining the Royal Family to the line of succession is quite another. Once people notice that this means much less work for the money, they will not be so pleased about streamlining. It was unfortunate to lose the Sussexes who could have been an asset to the Monarchy if properly supported, but what is done is done.
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Charlotte, thank you for your sensitive reporting of issues re the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. The integrity of your reporting is like a breath of fresh air. I hope the Duke and Duchess of Sussex live happy with their decision because they honestly have so much good to do as a couple. God Bless the Queen. God Bless the Sussexes.
ReplyDeleteI’ve been having issues with comments not going through (before they were turned off) so please forgive my brevity.
ReplyDelete1. Brand Sussex may need a rethink - HM could decide to take back the titles as part of the transition process.
2. I hope that there is no tacky “Merch” planned, regardless of where the money goes. H & M should in my opinion look to the Duchy of Cornwall for a guideline on what is acceptable in terms of branding and sales.
3. This whole situation is very sad.
It is so very sad that after only 20 months this is result of so much promise and excitment. I don't see anything changing, with regards to a more peaceful life. This decision will have a domino effect, their will be fallout for the rest of the senior royals. I feel very sorry for the Queen.
ReplyDeleteAva, agree. It raises concerns that while hoping to have more privacy and balance in their lives, they have set up plans for their working lives to not change anything much except they spend time elsewhere and have a bit more control on their charities and more freedom to market themselves. Maybe for Meghan she could just not adjust to the life in the UK as a full time Royal, but of course you now have Harry needing to adjust to life in a new country and with new friendships to form. Sadly, one or the other of them had to cope with being the odd one out for several years. Maybe the living in two countries will work but it is rare once your child gets to school age for that to work.
DeleteMy heart feels better about this, and I am glad the Queen herself made a statement that I found particularly warm and loving. Hears hoping that Meghan and Harry find a good middle ground. Perhaps when the family is more established with older kiddos (hears hoping Archie has a sibling soon!), they may find a way back to Britain. We'll see.
ReplyDeleteI am a Canadian.
ReplyDeleteOnce again the Queen has done the right thing. What compassion and understanding. God save the Queen! Despite the deep and profound sadness, betrayal and disappointment she must be feeling she has put her grandson and his family first. What a remarkable woman.
I wish Harry and Meghan a life which brings them great joy. I pray they are able to make the royal family proud and do not bring shame on an ancient institution as they maneuver a new path.
I worry greatly about Harry and surely I cannot be alone. Meghan had a very different life only a few years ago. She clearly craves to get back to many aspects of that life. But Harry is in a different situation altogether. He is walking away from all that he has known and is heading into unknown territory. If he, too, is to be happy and content I can only pray that he is leaving behind all that he has stood for because it is what he wants and he needs. Despite how much he loves his wife and son, and it is clear he does, I think his path has the potential to be a rough one. I hope he does not find his anxiety increasing and his depression returning when it become very clear to him that he is in a new country, when he realizes that his old family relationships are troubled and when he realizes that he has turned his back on all that he spent his life believing was to be his destiny.
I guess we cannot predict the future. I just fear it may not be as smooth as we hope it will be for the Sussexes, particularly for Harry. Love is powerful but it cannot solve all. The path to true inner peace is one we develop within ourselves. I hope Harry is doing this for Harry, that he will find peace and not regret or guilt.
Well said Anon 6:14
DeleteI believe Harry expressed wanting to leave the Firm many years before meeting Meghan
DeleteWell said. It's my fear, too.
DeletePlease don’t speculate on what meghan clearly craves. What specifically has she done or said that indicates she wants to go back to her previous life. I am extremely tired of the assumptions about what Meghan is thinking. No one knows her. Or Harry for that matter. What we do have are their public comments to go on. Jmmcain is right Harry has said this since before Meghan. And Meghan’s public comments have indicated a fragility with the press attacks. So they together chose to change their lifestyle and roles. We don’t yet know what exactly it will look like but I disagree that it is at all clear to us what Meghan “clearly craves”.
DeleteYes I agree it will be difficult for Prince Harry having to choose what to do although he has clearly shown his preference is to support Meghan and I applaud him for that. However I worry that they have not thought through all the implications of their actions. I think that having given notice to the Frogmore Cottage staff and taking their dogs to Canada before Christmas shows that they have definitely chosen to move away from UK and do not intend to live near their royal relatives in future. Maybe they will just visit occasionally when Harry has functions to attend, just as happened this week. The Queen had given them an important role liaising with Commonwealth youth but this will be difficult to fulfil in future as its Headquarters is at Marlborough House in London. Events such attendance at the annual Commonwealth church service etc may be able to be fitted in, but how would Commonwealth tours be organised from Vancouver? So far as I know there are no Commonwealth High Commissioners resident outside the Canadian capital. More importantly how will they ensure Archie maintains contact with his relations in UK. On Meghan's side he has his grandmother but no grandfather, aunties. uncles or cousins who are close. It will be sad if Harry's family only see them infrequently. Everyone needs family support and I am sure Prince Charles and The Queen have tried very hard to give it.
DeleteI love the queen official statement i feel that the duchess of sussez is really hurt by the the media and vile piers morgan and i anything qe resolve these issue to talk to your famiky im relieve that issue is fast and not long i admire her the queen and also a gradmother to both prince harry and prince william
ReplyDeleteAmen Bluefire.
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Well managed, this statement would have come first. A loving statement from a grandmother, acknowledging her grand son has other plans, wishing he would remain, but understanding.
ReplyDeleteI am sad it came to that. One of the things that put the Queen and the RF appart is the fatality of their destiny and their commitment to duty, not by choice but by birth. The Queen had no choice and she sacrificed a lot to the UK. Charles has no choice, nor has William. Or so it seemed. I really feel for William, who after a struggle with his destiny, trying to do something he felt useful, air rescue, seemed to have come to terms with it.
He will be alone on this road, when he trusted his brother to support him. Their bond is unique, they only can understand each other completely, having gone through the same tragedy and being in the same lonely position. So many times Harry made clear it was about supporting the person, his grandmother, father, brother who had the top job, and how difficult it was for that person. There has been a huge interest for what the international papers have called megxit. People who aren't interested in the BRF at all, people who do not read magazines, have been aware of it. The reference to the drama of brexit has been obvious, and perhaps it was welcome as an escape from hard politics. But I think what has kept the attention of the world is the tragedy part of it. The ancient drama about conflict between birth, duty and personal happiness.
Harry had a choice and he took his decision.
I feel for those who have to keep going.
Thank you pointing out how lonely it must be for William. It can’t be easy to deal with this alone. I’m sure it feels isolating.
DeleteIt was a important statement yet it remains vague which I understand the Queen has always been. It's her role as Queen but also as a grandmother to fix what has been damaged and she certainly doesn't need another annus horriblis which unfortunately Meghan and Harry felt the need to kick off. I'm not saying this out of spite or because I'm against them. I just think they handled this very terribly and not in consideration of what other people have been going through (and by that I mean the Queen and her husband). Everyone can of course say they for once thought of themselves and they certainly are allowed to but that doesn't make their actions right. But I'm glad the Queen found a way to solve this in a diplomatic way. But I also hope that she gave Harry her piece of mind because that's also what a grandmother does.
ReplyDeleteI disagree that Meghan and Harry kicked off anything, much less an annus horribilis. Or that they were inconsiderate. A document Charles asked for which Harry didn't wish to share because of his fear that it would be leaked--and it was by some palace p*sser--which meant that they had to move more quickly than they wished or before things could be properly sorted and presented to the British public as a united front and in a proper order.
DeleteBut that's the history of the House of Windsor. A lot of stuff not handled well because they don't understand PR and basic communications strategies in spite of all the previous mistakes which ought to have taught them something.
SMH
God bless Her Majesty she is PURE CLASS!
ReplyDeleteBravo Queen Elizabeth. Such a wise, calming presence amongst the furor. I wish the Sussexes well. They will be a loss to the family, but hopefully we will see them occasionally. I just hope that Harry will not regret his decision down the road. He has been such an important presence, for so many years. He will be missed.
ReplyDeleteToujours très heureuse d'avoir des nouvelles des Sussex. Charlotte vous êtes extraordinaire. Contente que cette situation commence à se calmer avec le message de la grand-mère avant tout du Prince Harry.
ReplyDeleteThis is so sad to see the royal family members going through all this so publicly. They are human beings with feelings- no matter what their role in life may be. We all need to remember that and let them work this all out and figure out how to move forward. All the insults, negative comments, false articles don't help one bit. Charlotte thank you for reporting in an honest, positive, and straight forward manner. I always know that I can read the facts and not the grossly exaggerated stuff on your blog. I love Harry and Meghan and wish them all the best- no matter how they choose to move forward.
ReplyDeleteAmen JJ.
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Thank you charlotte for your fantastic work as usual. I am glad the announcement was made by the Queen who addressed first as a grandmother. I hope from there that all parties will learn from their mistakes and will continue to have constructive dialogue. I sincerly hope that both Harry and Meghan will find peace and will succeed to be financial independant quickly with minimum if possible no conflict of interest with their role as duke and duchesse. I am not naive and know that even if none tabloid and heaters will still criticise them hard. And.finally i hope they will distance themselves from the show business and celebrities pack. We know media are fabricating stories but many times people supposely closed to Meghan share details about her that make unecessarirly headlines. Like her make up artist or this other man who booked the house they rent during their holidays. Maybe it was done to give a positive insight about Meghan but most of the time it just create more negative stories for the tabloid. I hope they can stick with people they trust and distance themselves from those celebrities who never acknowledge Meghan not even talking about invinting her to tjeir parties or for holidays before she start dating Harry. I hope charlotte that your blog will continue to be a place we are educated on so many topics and the impact of HM work. Last can the queen now start investigating who are responsible for the leaks ?
ReplyDeleteThis is a statement that doesn’t say much. I assume that when you don't know what's going on, it's really about money. Most likely, changes are in the monarchy when Charles becomes king and then William. Perhaps spending limits and funding for downstream family members are planned. Perhaps Harry and Meghan expect adverse changes. And this meant that they decided to act to get something else in their favor from Queen Elizabeth. The situation will become less enigmatic when more specific arrangements are given. We must hope that everything goes well. You have to wait patiently. It is good to know that on the blog "Mad About Meghan" we will find unbiased information about the course of events. I'm looking forward to it.
ReplyDeleteI know there seems to be worry over Harry leaving his way of life, but consider how unhappy he was. He was the life of the party, drank a lot, always alone at night. Who didn't love the two brothers playing polo, but one had a wife, then 1, 2, 3 children to take care of while he had none. All his boarding school friends were getting married. His family is super busy -- would be hard to catch his father on a moment's notice. There is so much blame that it's hard to assign it. The aides, which is a situation that should never have been allowed to continue. The tabloids. The lack of statements to the contrary. The lack of visible family support -- would have been nice to see some cousin involvement. I think Harry has found some new friends in Meghan's, just like William found a new family in Kate's.
ReplyDeleteAllison, agree it is complex...but this is an odd total shut off of one persons family. A large family of close bonds. Typically this type of separation is not a good thing...if you love someone IMHO you do not separate them from their family this way....one person has appeared to truly leave and the other has to follow.
DeleteBut they haven’t shut off Harry’s family? I don’t understand this assertion. They explicitly say they want to remain part of the family just in a reduced official role. I also think given all the recent stories it is a bit speculative to assume it is a family of close bonds. They often strike me as rather distant and not close. This may have exacerbated a lack of support Harry and Meghan were feeling. And this isn’t a new development either. Stories about the Windsor’s often note their lack of warmth going back a few generations now. I’m really wary of paining the situation as the family was so kind and supportive but Meghan wanted out and Harry was forced to follow. This just doesn’t line up with what has been publicly said and shown. I understand this time of uncertainty people are starting to follow their chosen narratives of the situation, but the truth is none of us really know.
DeleteThe press is the problem, isn't it. The quick announcement came to get ahead of The Sun. The job of a newspaper is to report the news, not create it. It is no wonder most of print news is classified as entertainment - no one interested in factual news would consider reading them as their declining subscriber numbers illustrate. The Royals are not chattel. When this is worked out, it will be communicated by them when they have something to say. Anything else is just noise.
ReplyDeleteIn The Guardian I read that according to aides, Meghan was not personally involved in the yesterday meeting via conference-call as was indicated. The reason is that "[t]here were also, reportedly, concerns that any phone conversations would be vulnerable to eavesdroppers. Aides were understood to have been uneasy about the idea of her calling in for fear of who else might be listening in to this highly confidential family discussion." I have supported the Sussex's decision from the beginning and yet I still learn more and more about the background. If you are not even safe in the very home of the sovereign, if even expert personnel cannot ensure that your out- or inbound connections are safe, this is quite a sinister situation that is really regrettable and unhealthy. Good for them to leave that!
ReplyDeleteThe fear was that someone was listening the conversation next to Meghan. How is that the sides or RF fault?
DeleteSorry, I've read this as fear of illegal interception by the press. And it's not the RF's or aides fault, but a decline of decency I observe with parts of the media and that the RF simply has no means to stop.
DeleteCharlotte, will you continue to keep this blog? As much as I am not happy at the way things are going, I do like seeing and reading what goes on in both their schedules and causes they support and work so hard for. I mean we would have to see them come back to the UK due to their patronage’s. Those can’t be abandoned by them right?
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ReplyDeleteI come here to this blog because I admire Meghan and Prince Harry. I am dismayed to read so many comments here that are thinly-veiled criticisms of Meghan. It is not her fault that piers Morgan and others with a public forum have engaged in a nonstop verbal assault against her. Please look at that Buzzfeed article that shows how Meghan was viciously attacked for doing or wearing the same as other royal ladies. Our dear Charlotte has repeatedly addressed the flagrant hypocritical barrage against Meghan.
After that October Tom Bradbury interview, there should have been serious meetings with the Queen, Charles, William and Harry. All of them and Kate should have been seen together with Harry and Meghan, in solidarity. Harry publicly stated his concerns about life as a royal, even before he met Meghan. He clearly was at home with his military and Invictus roles, more so than traditional royal roles.
Renee
I agree 1000% with every single word Renee. Thank you so much for articulating so much of my feelings.
DeleteMy understanding is that Harry and Meghan continue to be committed to community, monarchy and commonwealth.
ReplyDeleteWhy are some people saying that they are abandoning family and duty? It was clear from their engagement interview that they wanted to hit the ground running in their royal duties. Something made it impossible for them to continue up in the way that has been established. They are trying to find a new way to do their work.
I hope Meghan is as committed to Harry as he has shown for her. He is siding with the family he created with her, rather than his family of origin in this instance. This will be a harder transition for him than for her. but she did try, and publicly, she performed her duties extremely well. Fingers crossed we'll see them again soon.
ReplyDeleteShe gave up her career and her life in Canada for him. She gave birth to their son. Why are people still questioning her devotion to him? Also, I don't understand how a man prioritizing his wife and child is a shock.
DeleteBrava Queen Elizabeth. What class. I hope they can work things out amicably. I wish Harry and Meghan well but think they should give up their titles and all their funding. They will not have any trouble making a very good living.
ReplyDeleteI think that M&H can smooth out their life. I see no reason that Charles, when king, cannot enlist M&H to undertake some activities and tours. Rules are made to be broken. they will always be the king's son/DIL. They are not in disgrace. They have done nothing wrong! (If we can forgive M eating avocado toast.) I also don't see the problem with Meghan's friends! Yes, Oprah is "well known." I'm sure she sought Meghan rather than the other way around. Oprah also is responsible for many expensive good works, including her school for girls. Sometimes you have to allow successful people to help to get results.
ReplyDeleteYou know, Meghan made a commitment—not only to Harry but to the Royal Family and the British people. I am very disappointed that she gave that commitment less than two years worth of a try before walking away. I am beyond disappointed. Personal satisfaction, comfort etc is important of course, but real happiness comes from enduring hard times, honoring commitments, and pride in a job well done. Not from running away.
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I think she tried a lot and and invested a lot of energy in it. But her "commitment" does not come first, her mental well being does. She was bullied from the first minute till the last.
DeleteIf you wanna follow a fairy tale, there is one more blog that Charlotte does.
Meghan Markle was spotted in my hometown today at a women's shelter in Vancouver
ReplyDeletehttps://www.iheartradio.ca/kfun-99-5/meghan-markle-visits-women-s-centre-in-vancouver-s-downtown-eastside-1.10464393
Melissa, Must be exciting and unexpected to find her in your neighborhood of the world suddenly!!
DeleteSure is! Hope I see her :)
DeleteThis is the mercy of the wisdom of the years and life experience of the Queen. This round is perfect in many ways.
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Wonderful to see Meghan not miss a beat during these awkward days. Loved the photo of her at the Downtown Eastside Women's Center in Vancouver. Our Duchess looks fabulous and very much at home in her element while bringing attention to projects of relevance. This is who she is and has always been.
ReplyDeleteI wish Harry and Meghan well. You would think folks would be happy for them that they want to be independent and not live off the fat of the land.
ReplyDeleteWishing Harry and Meghan the best.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7887419/Meghan-Markle-breaks-cover-time-leaving-UK.html
ReplyDeleteWe see her (much) sooner than expected!
The Duke of Sussex being the spare, the Sussexes were only ever in transition. The spare’s importance fades over time, even if his parents live forever as the Queen seems to do, and he will sooner or later be dependent on the financial mercy of his elder sibling. That is not a good place to be in especially not if you have reason to worry about that sibling’s loyalty. I do not think the Sussexes are insisting on having the best of both worlds, they have made an offer to keep up much of their current work for the Royal Family as long as it is useful for both parties. Of course they would expect to get funds for expenses they only ever have because of that royal work. If they had just upped and left, leaving it all behind, the same people who are criticising them now would be screaming about quitting at short notice and leaving the Royal Family in the lurch.
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Please, please, please keep this blog. I am too invested to have it ripped away. Thanks Miss Charlotte for all that you do. Love a Bloody America ��
ReplyDeleteThey will be well loved in Canada. People care about what they do and their good hearts not rubbish media reporting. Hope they feel that way already. Maybe we’ll even see a picture of them or Archie on HM table next Christmas. Even if they aren’t in direct line to the throne.
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